Sealant PO85RD With?

I always follow up PO85rd with CG EZ Creme Glaze or some other non-abrasive cleaning product like Blackfire Gloss enhancing polish.. I don't like taking something away by doing IPA or some other form of stripping the PO85rd oils... would rather (work forward), use a cleaner/glaze.

Then seal with favorite sealant. Blackfire Wet Diamond over EZ Creme Glaze is a very nice combination after PO85rd.
 
Hey John...thanks for the info...thats another one for the EX Creme Glaze. Interesting! What I initially thought of doing was to remove the polishing oils with GG Pre Wax cleaner to remove the oils. I'll have to look into the EZ Creme Glaze.
 
Only problem with a glaze as opposed to a true paint cleaner, or striping product, is the glaze can interfere with the bonding of the LSP. sure if your just doing a touch up and want to fill some swirls a glaze is fine, but if you just perfected your finish with PO85rd I would want to use only an LSP so the true beauty of the finish shows through. But that's just me.
 
Alex,

You're good with both 85 and 106. 106 is good with customer cars because it has some bite and finish extremely nice.

85rd is the jewel master!. Slap a blue pad on the rotary and you can make a bazillion passes on the garage queen to get the most shine possible.
 
Flannigan said:
Only problem with a glaze as opposed to a true paint cleaner, or striping product, is the glaze can interfere with the bonding of the LSP. sure if your just doing a touch up and want to fill some swirls a glaze is fine, but if you just perfected your finish with PO85rd I would want to use only an LSP so the true beauty of the finish shows through. But that's just me.
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I was lead to believe that an LSP like BFWD would bond nicely to EZ Creme Glaze. Do you know otherwise?

Oh, and btw, if anyone wants to trade some 85RD (I accientally bought a huge bottle last November), PM me.
 
Detail_Dude said:
I was lead to believe that an LSP like BFWD would bond nicely to EZ Creme Glaze. Do you know otherwise?

Oh, and btw, if anyone wants to trade some 85RD (I accientally bought a huge bottle last November), PM me.
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EZ creme will work perfectly fine underneath a sealant. I think he was just making a general statment on glazes as the majority of them out there are oil based vs something like CG ez/DWG/wetglaze 2.0. However dont believe everything you see about glazing effecting the bonding of sealants. I did a test 2 years ago using M03 as a base for Nxt2.0, wg dgps, upgp, Dg105, and 4*upp on half the hood and the other half on bare paint. By the end of the test both sides had about the same durability.
 
glazes affect the bonding of any other product on top of them, end of story. I'm not saying you will get only a month out of a product that would normally last 6 months, but it will degrade faster. Also glazes are pointless, if the don't have som corrective abilities IMO, because they will only last for a couple washes or a couple rains. The only time I actually rely on a glaze is to amp up a car for a show or something like that. Otherwise the effects are very short lived.
 
Great discussion guys...and thanks for the suggestions everyone. I really appreciate it.
 
I haven't used 85rd
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Well that was obvious from your statement.

but like the extra cut I get from 106fa on my dd.
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I agree you do get considerably extra cut from 106fa or ff and that is what makes it different to 85rd. You've only got to handle both products between your fingers to realise the Menz rep wasn't up to scratch on their products.

I don't think I'm leaving too much gloss on the table by not getting into the jeweling stage.
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Well you are no question.

A rotary would be better, but you can still achieve reasonable results with a crimson pad on a DA. Great excuse to purchase a quality rotary if you really want to see the difference. Try 85rd via rotary on a blue pad and you will soon see. That is also about the safest and easiest way to learn how to use your new RO.
 
Flannigan said:
glazes affect the bonding of any other product on top of them, end of story. I'm not saying you will get only a month out of a product that would normally last 6 months, but it will degrade faster. Also glazes are pointless, if the don't have som corrective abilities IMO, because they will only last for a couple washes or a couple rains. The only time I actually rely on a glaze is to amp up a car for a show or something like that. Otherwise the effects are very short lived.
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So I am going to expose my lack of knowledge and ask this: If you layer a glaze under a sealant shouldn't it last as long as the sealant?

If you use a system together like poor boys White Diamond and EX-P you should be good in the bonding dept becasue the manufacturer has deigned them to work together, right?
 
ShinyRex said:
So I am going to expose my lack of knowledge and ask this: If you layer a glaze under a sealant shouldn't it last as long as the sealant?

If you use a system together like poor boys White Diamond and EX-P you should be good in the bonding dept becasue the manufacturer has deigned them to work together, right?
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No, a glaze will not last any longer "under" a sealant. It's not like they are in different layers and the rain or water won't hit the glaze becasue the sealant is "Over" it. There are a few tests on here that show that a glaze will fail/become usless alone or "topped" with a sealant.
 
:iagree: Eraser is a great paint cleaner.
Flannigan said:
Only problem with a glaze as opposed to a true paint cleaner, or striping product, is the glaze can interfere with the bonding of the LSP. sure if your just doing a touch up and want to fill some swirls a glaze is fine, but if you just perfected your finish with PO85rd I would want to use only an LSP so the true beauty of the finish shows through. But that's just me.
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Flannigan said:
No, a glaze will not last any longer "under" a sealant. It's not like they are in different layers and the rain or water won't hit the glaze becasue the sealant is "Over" it. There are a few tests on here that show that a glaze will fail/become usless alone or "topped" with a sealant.
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Regarding EZ Creme Glaze - specifically- I believe it has a acrylic base, conducive to a sealant being applied after without bonding issues. This is, again, based on my limited experience - unlike other glazes that can not be topped because they are oil based.

Am I incorrect? I am always ready to learn something new in this space.
 
Detail_Dude said:
Regarding EZ Creme Glaze - specifically- I believe it has a acrylic base, conducive to a sealant being applied after without bonding issues. This is, again, based on my limited experience - unlike other glazes that can not be topped because they are oil based.

Am I incorrect? I am always ready to learn something new in this space.
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Any glaze CAN be topped, no matter what the base. How long it lasts and how long the sealant on top lasts will vary depending on what kind of glaze it is though.
 
Flannigan said:
glazes affect the bonding of any other product on top of them, end of story. I'm not saying you will get only a month out of a product that would normally last 6 months, but it will degrade faster. Also glazes are pointless, if the don't have som corrective abilities IMO, because they will only last for a couple washes or a couple rains. The only time I actually rely on a glaze is to amp up a car for a show or something like that. Otherwise the effects are very short lived.
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The man speaks the truth.
 
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