Shampoo vs rinseless

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I tried this before and I guess I didn't word things the way I wanted

Heres the scenario. You rinse car off then wash car with two buckets using shampoo

Or you rinse car off and wash with rinseless using 2 buckets.

What's the difference

Heres my thoughts. .. difference would just be product used. That's it. You could even rinse off after wiping with rinseless. .

So, what is the difference if any? Is shampoo slicker or safer some how than rinseless products? Remember, everything is the same, the wash media you use to drying. Even rinseless mediacis soaking wet when touching paint
 
With rinseless wash you don't have to rinse off the car to begin with. If you have to it is probably too dirty to use rinseless in the first place. Each has their place. There are some places, such as apartments and condos, that do not have an area to properly do a complete shampoo (some even prohibit it). With rinseless you can fill a bucket from the sink, put in five or six microfiber towels and do a pretty decent job of washing your car.

I think rinseless products are even slicker than most car soaps. They have to be or you could really mess up your paint. Another factor is weather. You can do a rinseless in a garage during winter if you have to but you can't do a complete shampoo, at least not in most garages that don't have drains. Here in Texas this is not much of a factor but in upstate NY it certainly would be. There are other advantages (and disadvantages) but both methods have a place in detailing.
 
frankprozzoly said:
...you rinse car off and wash with rinseless...

You could even rinse off after wiping with rinseless. .
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Opinion:
Sure you could rinse before and after using a rinseless-wash...But:
That defeats the intent behind "rinseless"-washing.

Editorial:
OH! If the above were to become true...Then:
I can only imagine the pangs that would be associated with the necessitation of a name-changing event...for the process formerly known as: Rinseless-Wash!!


Bob
 
I appreciate the response.

Let's throw out weather conditions, garage or no garage, water conservation. Throw out all of it.

I know it's a silly question but I like using megs express wash. So, if my wash media is soaking wet with shampoo or soaking wet with rinseless, is there a difference
 
What Shortspark said. I use the two bucket wash at home as we are not restricted, but I find the rinseless wash useful when we travel, unless having driven through a rain storm and muddy conditions. I am not into showing cars, but I can see rinseless being useful at the show site.
 
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Lol I don't have the power to change the name rinseless to a symbol
 
Your car is soaking wet with soap, therefore you have to use a hose to properly get rid of all the soap and residue and then dry when there is no soap left. With rinseless there is no soap to rinse off, you just wipe it off as you dry. You save a step.
 
Frank, I have thought about this as well. From what I've read, Dr. G from Optimum firmly believes that ONR is much safer than any traditional car shampoo. In fact, I believe he's said that it makes traditional shampoo obsolete. I've also read that some on this forum add ONR or similar to their traditional wash solution to add lubricity and soften the water, and they claim it's reduced or eliminated their wash-induced marring.

I would say it would be perfectly reasonable to replace your regular shampoo entirely with a rinseless wash solution, even if doing a pre-rinse. You're still saving time and water, since you don't need to rinse after washing.
 
Shortspark said:
Your car is soaking wet with soap, therefore you have to use a hose to properly get rid of all the soap and residue and then dry when there is no soap left. With rinseless there is no soap to rinse off, you just wipe it off as you dry. You save a step.
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Yes. I believe "rinseless" refers to the post washing rinse.
 
There's more difference than just the product. Taking the post-rinse step out of the equation, as you have hypothesized, you're left with the pre-rinse, the actual wash steps and the drying stage.

And here's the big difference: With a shampoo, you're agitating and loosening the dirt, not much more. Of course there'll be dirt transfer to the media but you're not trying to pick up the dirt. While with a rinseless product, you're doing more, you're actually removing dirt with your wash media. More dirt, if not all, gets transferred to your wash media. That is why when you wipe a rinseless off, more likely than not, the drying towel comes up clean (unless you missed a spot, ouch).

And that is also why you need a post-rinse with a shampoo method and you don't need one for a rinseless (although you could as you said.)

Does that help?
 
Blade said:
With a shampoo, you're agitating and loosening the dirt, not much more. Of course there'll be dirt transfer to the media but you're not trying to pick up the dirt. While with a rinseless product, you're doing more, you're actually removing dirt with your wash media. More dirt, if not all, gets transferred to your wash media. That is why when you wipe a rinseless off, more likely than not, the drying towel comes up clean (unless you missed a spot, ouch).

And that is also why you need a post-rinse with a shampoo method and you don't need one for a rinseless (although you could as you said.)

Does that help?
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Isn't rubbing a MF with Rinseless solution on it over the surface of the paint also considered agitation?

You speculate that, "With a shampoo, you're agitating and loosening the dirt, not much more". In actuality, the surfactants in the shampoo are binding with the dirt and drawing it off of the surface, just like the "polymers" in a product like ONR

Regardless of the method used (2BM, Rinseless, Waterless), a drying towel should be clean after use. If it is not, there is a problem with technique


Rank the following choices for washing a dirty vehicle with Perfect Paint:

Waterless Wash

Rinseless Wash

2BM with power washer pre-rinse

Rinseless with power washer pre-rinse



"The Solution is Dilution"
 
Blade said:
And here's the big difference: With a shampoo, you're agitating and loosening the dirt, not much more. Of course there'll be dirt transfer to the media but you're not trying to pick up the dirt. While with a rinseless product, you're doing more, you're actually removing dirt with your wash media. More dirt, if not all, gets transferred to your wash media.
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I would think so as well

Why are there so many thoughts of your dragging the dirt over the paint. If both wash medias are soaking wet, aren't they both possibly dragging dirt across the paint. Shampoo or rinseless. That's after a pre rinse
 
The way I look at it is this: If the car is really dirty I will do a full wash with shampoo. If I am doing a maintenance wash then the rinseless is my go to.

Rinseless is much quicker. Probably about half the time as a full wash. This is mostly due to not having to put away the hose, etc etc.

When I lived in an apartment the coin op around the corner was my only option. Having to do a 2 bucket there was always a huge headache.

In the winter I will stop at the coin op and blast most of the bigger stuff, then come home and do a rinseless wash.

It isn't meant to really replace a full two bucket shampoo wash.
 
DasBurninator;1184399 It isn't meant to really replace a full two bucket shampoo wash.[/QUOTE said:
See I think it possibly can if you use it differently than what it is made for. I don't see why with a pre rinse or pressure wash then using rinseless then even rinsing it off if you want, wouldn't do the job just as well.

Who knows, I just bring it up for debate. I love rinseless because it's just a neater or cleaner process. Plus I'm disappointed in megs shampoo plus. It loses its suds very quickly. I'm constantly adding water to get them back
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Uh say whaaaaaatttt..... :dunno:

Why would you use 2BM with rinseless?

Fill that bucket, throw in 16~18 towels and let 'um soak, then pull one out at a time and GENTLY pull it across the surface. (I'll hold two corners up and ever so lightly pull it in one direction only.)

Then again, that second bucket is for dirty towels. :xyxthumbs:


Rinse before washing, whether doing rinseless or shampoo.
IMO, that'd be the most important step no matter which method you'll use. :props:




So what about rinsing, top down, then hitting with a PW?
THEN hitting with foam and allowing to dwell?
THEN washing with foam/2BM as usual?
Think that doesn't clean better AND SAFER than "rinseless" products?
Me thinks it does both.... A LOT BETTER. :dblthumb2:




As much as rinseless is convenient, it still worries me no matter when or where I do it. (No matter if it's ONR, ONRWW, Duragloss, Megs, UWW+.)
OTOH it takes a LOT less time overall, so we have that. :D



I do have to admit, (full disclosure and such) that I've yet to bring myself to use any Merino Wool product whilst doing rinseless.
(That I would otherwise use during a full fledged "foamy" wash.) ;)
 
I have a different method. I use Meguiars rinseless wash, in a 5 gallon bucket and in a spray bottle. It's below freezing outside, I'll soak the panel with the spray first (in the garage), then use the MF mitt from the bucket to do the actual wash/wipe. Rinse the MF mitt in a second hot clear water bucket. Drop it back into the rinseless wash bucket while I presoak the next panel. Repeat.

I don't go onto a dry panel in the Pittsburgh salt/soot, I always pre wet with the spray bottle and let it flow over the panel.

I find this method to work very well and not impart damage while removing sediment.

Your mileage may vary.
 
Frank...

In all honesty:
When I take a step or two back; and, then take a closer look at all the variations that have been presented to perform a "rinseless-wash"...
(I'll just go ahead and reduce all of them down to as simply being hybrid versions of said rinseless-washes)...

I find that I must conclude the following:
-There's more than one way to skin a cat.

-"Nobody’s right, if everybody’s wrong"
~Buffalo Springfield...(ca. 1967)

-Please feel free to either:
Traditional-Wash/Rinseless-Wash/(even waterless-wash)
your vehicle in the manner that best suits you. :)


Bob
 
I guess the main reason I brought this up is if I wash with rinseless the exact same way someone would use a shampoo, would it be inferior. I'm thinking that it wouldn't be. Your right, no right or wrong way
 
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