Sio2 topper over polymer-based sealant

Makes sense -- I figured if there was a problem at all, it could be in bonding between layers. The EliXir certainly bonded to the FF when I applied it -- the car looked visibly glossier when I was done, I didn't just wipe it all right back off. But right now there's no rain forecast until mid-February so I'm not going to be able to gauge whether the EliXir stays on, unless I just hose test it myself, y'know, for science
 
In many forums, Ive read implicit and explicit
advice that Sio2 products go on coatings only
(via. Guz's excellent review of EliXir here, where
a couple of times he explicitly mentions it's for
coated cars),

and you should put polymer products on polymer...


But I`ve never seen it explained why.
...have not found an explanation, just the advice,
repeated in many threads, that Sio2 products
should go on coatings only.


I`d appreciate any pointers, links to threads, first-hand
anecdotes, or scientific or informal explanations as to
why I might have made a terrible mistake (if in fact, I did).
Applying a crystalline structure such as SiO2—an
oxide of the element Silicon...ie: silicon dioxide...
(aka: silica; quartz; sand; etc.)—directly to a
vehicle would, in and of itself, present a vast
array of difficulties.


•Accordingly, the actual SiO2 that goes into
the (finished) SiO2-based product must first
be structurally changed.

-A common means of creating that structural
change to SiO2 begins by first extracting the
silicon from the SiO2.
-Then the Silicon, itself, is structurally modified
by/with the addition of things such as carbon
molecules.


•The results of the above structural modifications
are: TAH-DAH: Silicones—Yep silicones: good ol’
polymers—polymers that often combine the qualities
of a metal with the diversity offered by plastics (or
whatever else devices/qualities that the Chemist
has been directed to come up with by the products’
owners/manufacturers/resellers.)


•Conclusion (an: “IMO editorial”):
-If silicones (silanes, siloxanes, etc.) are “polymers”;
-And, if topping polymers with polymers is deemed to
be usually OK;
-And, furthermore, if this particular topping experience
met or exceeded your expectations;
-Then you did not make a terrible mistake in topping
UFF with Elixir.


{Polymers; Silicones; SiO2; On And On:
OH! The beguiling affects of Buzz Words.}



Bob
 
That's an interesting take! Someone on another forum also said there were polymers in EliXir, although he didn't explain himself, and didn't do the Sio2->silicone derivation you did
 
Applying a crystalline structure such as SiO2—an
oxide of the element Silicon...ie: silicon dioxide...
(aka: silica; quartz; sand; etc.)—directly to a
vehicle would, in and of itself, present a vast
array of difficulties.


•Accordingly, the actual SiO2 that goes into
the (finished) SiO2-based product must first
be structurally changed.

-A common means of creating that structural
change to SiO2 begins by first extracting the
silicon from the SiO2.
-Then the Silicon, itself, is structurally modified
by/with the addition of things such as carbon
molecules.


•The results of the above structural modifications
are: TAH-DAH: Silicones—Yep silicones: good ol’
polymers—polymers that often combine the qualities
of a metal with the diversity offered by plastics (or
whatever else devices/qualities that the Chemist
has been directed to come up with by the products’
owners/manufacturers/resellers.)


•Conclusion (an: “IMO editorial”):
-If silicones (silanes, siloxanes, etc.) are “polymers”;
-And, if topping polymers with polymers is deemed to
be usually OK;
-And, furthermore, if this particular topping experience
met or exceeded your expectations;
-Then you did not make a terrible mistake in topping
UFF with Elixir.


{Polymers; Silicones; SiO2; On And On:
OH! The beguiling affects of Buzz Words.}



Bob

I’ve been trying to explain this for awhile. Thank you.
 
Maybe try beadmaker? Seams to be a QD/sealant. Read it’s so so hydrophobic wise, but glossy as hell. And then you don’t have to worry about sio2?


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I'm not convinced all these "Si02" sprays are entirely dissimilar from the WOWA sealants of yesteryear, apart from maybe better hydrophobic properties.

We can't even be sure the Si02 is doing the "heavy lifting" in these products, or even if the amount of Si02 in there is significant at all.

I say if using these "toppers" on top of your sealant is adding the properties you want (gloss, water beading) without any ill effects (streaking, hazing)

Then layer away!

IMO brands want you to use their Si02 spray products on coatings mostly because they want you to purchase their (usually) more expensive coating product ;)
 
Maybe try beadmaker? Seams to be a QD/sealant. Read it’s so so hydrophobic wise, but glossy as hell. And then you don’t have to worry about sio2?

Beadmaker's up next to test, when I'm done with my bottle of elixir. I found one head-to-head on youtube that seemed to show beadmaker and EliXir having nearly identical properties. But I still generally am interested in knowing the answer to the question of whether or not I have to stick with polymer products. The answer seems to be "no", at least for products like elixir that don't have a lot of sio2 in them anyway
 
I'm not convinced all these "Si02" sprays are entirely dissimilar from the WOWA sealants of yesteryear, apart from maybe better hydrophobic properties.

We can't even be sure the Si02 is doing the "heavy lifting" in these products, or even if the amount of Si02 in there is significant at all.

I say if using these "toppers" on top of your sealant is adding the properties you want (gloss, water beading) without any ill effects (streaking, hazing)

Then layer away!

IMO brands want you to use their Si02 spray products on coatings mostly because they want you to purchase their (usually) more expensive coating product ;)

That is pretty much the hypothesis I came in with (though I didn't say it), and based on discussion so far, I think it remains the working hypothesis. Unless the elixir just runs off when it rains -- I have a feeling it won't -- then there's no reason to specify that this (or other low Sio2 products) are for coated cars only
 
Unless the elixir just runs off when it rains --
I have a feeling it won't -- then there's no
reason to specify that this (or other low Sio2
products) are for coated cars only
Why should there be any specificity
for only the “low-SiO2” products?

{RE: Buzz; Buzz}


Bob
 
Good point Bob. I'm just being careful since elixir is the only thing I've tried first-hand.
 
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