slickness & high lubricity soaps

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lookin for something a little slicker than optimum soap. any ideas?
 
semi-related but an interesting bit of info i found whilst researching something:

David Ghodoussi said:
Soap is a blend of surfactants that are designed to emulsify (dissolve) oils into water. There is nothing in soap to help with dirt removal. Foam is a by product of soap and it is caused by entrapment of air in soap and water. People perceive foam to create lubricity and correlate it to concentration and cleaning ability of soap. In fact, manufacturers add foamers to increase foam to capitalize on these misconceptions. No Rinse is based on reactive polymers that have the ability to bond to surfaces as well as dirt or oily particles. These polymers have much greater lubricity than soap and form a film around the particles as well as paint to protect from marring. The concentration of these polymers is very high which is why only 1 oz. per wash is needed. In fact, when people use 3-4 oz., they complain about the excess lubricity and streaking! If anyone washes half their car with no rinse and the other half with soap, over time, they will see marring on the soap side only!That is why many add no rinse to their soap bucket before washing which works well. However, because of the nature of these reactive polymers, in concentrated form, they react with soap and foaming agents to form a gel (you can try this by mixing soap concentrate with No Rinse). That is why we can not add foaming agents to no rinse! The water softening ability of ONR comes from bonding and removing minerals from water which takes place by the polymers in No Rinse in the same way as it bonds to dirt or other surfaces. The polymers remove minerals from water by bonding and trapping them similar to how they remove dirt particles and drop them down to the bottom of solution. There is nothing in soap that has that ability hence dirt or contaminants float in the solution. The reactivity of the polymers come from having both negatively charged and positively charged groups in the polymer which gives it a zwitterionic character. It can therefore bond with any particle whether they are anionic or cationic in nature. With the new No Rinse Wash & Wax, we have further increased the lubricity, gloss, and protection.
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UWW+ used as a Rinseless wash . Seems to get slicker with each wash .
 
I've found Poorboys Super Slick & Suds and DP Power Wash (the one with carnauba in it) to be very slick compared to the Meg's Gold Class I've used for years.
 
DG901.
On a side note, I like the foam because it seems to make the solution thicker allowing the soap to cling to the surface rather than run off.
DG901 is definitely super-slick and super-sudsy. Therefore, I super recommend it.
 
Soap may not be fantastic by itself, but maybe brands are adding lubricants and other polymers to their wash making it more effective, no?

Maybe I'm too easy suggestible to be mistaken by car care companies since I feel a difference when I'm using Quality soap like Ultima Paint Guard Wash and many others, compared to OTC car soaps at the supermarket.


Kind Regards.
 
+1 on "Cling"

I have also wondered if the foam bubbles actually slow the evaporation process and allow for longer dwell times

Someone who has a foam cannon could test this by foaming one side and using the same dilution applied without any foam bubbles

Would do it myself, but I am limited to rinseless/waterless right now


The question would also apply to wheel cleaners that are applied with a foaming vs. regular sprayer
 
Meg's Gold Class, also because it doesn't remove wax.
 
Stop looking for a soap fix, you have a quality one in optimum.

Change your wash media.

Seriously.

Try a microfiber madness incredimitt, sponge, or pad and you'll change your mind on what slick really is when washing.
 
aim4squirrels said:
Stop looking for a soap fix, you have a quality one in optimum.

Change your wash media.

Seriously.

Try a microfiber madness incredimitt, sponge, or pad and you'll change your mind on what slick really is when washing.
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another great post by you, haha.

ditto on the Incredimitt.
 
builthatch said:
another great post by you, haha.

ditto on the Incredimitt.
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Thanks for the compliment.

I don't know what exactly it is about their wash media, but man does it make all the difference in the world.

I have the incredimitt, and it looks like there are three different weaves of microfiber in it that all seem to work together to hold wash water, clean, and make it glide so effortlessly across the paint.
 
aim4squirrels said:
Thanks for the compliment.

I don't know what exactly it is about their wash media, but man does it make all the difference in the world.

I have the incredimitt, and it looks like there are three different weaves of microfiber in it that all seem to work together to hold wash water, clean, and make it glide so effortlessly across the paint.
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yeah, plus the foam. the foam inside hold ample solution to aid all of that MF but isn't too thick or heavy. and it's durable. i was worried it was dry out or wear out but nope. really solid product.
 
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