So I decided to try a layering test

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Got the wife's Mazda 6 washed and sealed with Wolfgang Deep Gloss Paint Sealant. Then a couple days later I wanted to see if layering a carnauba on top would make a difference.

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Washed the hood again and taped it off. The whole hood has WGDGPS, then I added P21S 100% carnauba to the driver's side only.

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The next day when the sun came out.

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So far, I don't see a difference. Which is kind of disappointing. Lol! I thought for sure I'd be able to tell.

Maybe I'll try layering a couple side panels to get a different view.
 
:wow: Sad...
These types of threads are usually FUN-discussions...
sometimes they even turn into a flame-wars.

So...
Too bad that you are not seeing any difference(s):
[Difference(s) such as: "added beauty"]...
after layering WDGPS and P21S. But I could have
told you that way ahead of time.


:idea:
Did you ever think that perhaps it's what we can't see...
[without the aid of visual enhancement tool(s)]...
is where all the action's taking place...action such as:
protection and/or "added thickness"; bonding (or not); etc.?


Bob
 
I'm the the camp that says, polish = shine, wax/sealant/coating = protection. The reason why waxes etc. sometimes add shine is when they fill in the defects of less than polished paint. But if the paint has been polished well, the only thing the LSP does is add protection ... and adding more layers of LSP only (hopefully) adds more protection.
 
IMHO layering different products is mostly a waste of time. Since all wax need solvents to be spreadable, and most solvents easily remove all LSPs, it would make sense to me that the solvent in the top wax layer wood remove or emulsify the sealant into the wax layer.

This being said, layer away if you just want to play around. It doesn't harm anything. I do it sometimes.

Please someone show me SOME PROOF that the sealant layer stays bonded under the wax.

OK.... Maybe ill do a test. I have an idea how to prove or disprove this. Stay tuned folks.
 
I can never tell a difference. For me it's all "recreational". However, I remember a long time ago that there was concern over "wax build up". (?)
 
The only time I'll use a wax anymore is if a client requests it or as a topper to a sealant.
Nothing more than something to lend to "added richness of the paint" or "peace of mind", I guess.

Garage queens definitely like it. :D
 
After tried different coatings, sealant, wax and layering method.
I only keep Meguiars spray wax :p
 
FUNX650 said:
:wow: Sad...
These types of threads are usually FUN-discussions...
sometimes they even turn into a flame-wars.

So...
Too bad that you are not seeing any difference(s):
[Difference(s) such as: "added beauty"]...
after layering WDGPS and P21S. But I could have
told you that way ahead of time.


:idea:
Did you ever think that perhaps it's what we can't see...
[without the aid of visual enhancement tool(s)]...
is where all the action's taking place...action such as:
protection and/or "added thickness"; bonding (or not); etc.?


Bob
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Could be that it has extra protection now and I just can't see it. Or, I completely removed all the sealant with the solvents in the carnauba. Lol!
I can't tell!
 
swanicyouth said:
IMHO layering different products is mostly a waste of time. Since all wax need solvents to be spreadable, and most solvents easily remove all LSPs, it would make sense to me that the solvent in the top wax layer wood remove or emulsify the sealant into the wax layer.

This being said, layer away if you just want to play around. It doesn't harm anything. I do it sometimes.

Please someone show me SOME PROOF that the sealant layer stays bonded under the wax.

OK.... Maybe ill do a test. I have an idea how to prove or disprove this. Stay tuned folks.
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What about the BF ice over fire combo (sealant topped with wax). Do you think it would be marketed if the wax negated the sealant?
 
I've never been able to see tge difference either. What about the claim of ONR leaving a shine compared to 114? Do you think that's probably in the head too.
 
I'm new to the detailing addiction - hobby only! My first attempt was the hood of my black 04 Jeep. Used GG6, 5.5 orange hydrotech with Menzerna 400, then blue hydrotech with Menzerna 4000. I then applied a Zymol paste wax by hand(had this on hand from a former car that I was fond of), then used Wolfgang Deep Gloss sealant. Too my untrained eye, it looks good except for a few small chips that I will have to get a Dr Color Chip for. My question is: should I have just not done the wax step?

I really appreciate the amount of info on this site and increase my knowledge exponentially every week - thank you!
 
Most will say if you're going to layer, sealant should go first since it lasts longer.

Here's a flow chart I found on this website:

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swanicyouth said:
imho layering different products is mostly a waste of time. Since all wax need solvents to be spreadable, and most solvents easily remove all lsps, it would make sense to me that the solvent in the top wax layer wood remove or emulsify the sealant into the wax layer.

This being said, layer away if you just want to play around. It doesn't harm anything. I do it sometimes.

Please someone show me some proof that the sealant layer stays bonded under the wax.

Ok.... Maybe ill do a test. I have an idea how to prove or disprove this. Stay tuned folks.
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👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
 
willieg said:
I'm new to the detailing addiction - hobby only! My first attempt was the hood of my black 04 Jeep. Used GG6, 5.5 orange hydrotech with Menzerna 400, then blue hydrotech with Menzerna 4000. I then applied a Zymol paste wax by hand(had this on hand from a former car that I was fond of), then used Wolfgang Deep Gloss sealant. Too my untrained eye, it looks good except for a few small chips that I will have to get a Dr Color Chip for. My question is: should I have just not done the wax step?

I really appreciate the amount of info on this site and increase my knowledge exponentially every week - thank you!
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I think you should have skipped the wax step. WDGS has awesome shine on its own. My concern is since you have wax under the WDGS it was not able to properly adhere and will not last very long.
 
Thanks for the feedback. So, if I start over and use the Dr ColorChip for repair do I remove everything first then do Dr ColorChip then skip the 400, use the 4000, skip the wax, and then use the WDGS?
 
I'm not sure of the best way to go about it using Dr Colorchip. Maybe somebody with more experience will chime in.
 
While I couldn't see a difference between the 2 sides, I decided to try the old water sheeting test.

At first I didn't notice a difference but after I pulled back in the garage I noticed more water still on the WGDGPS only side.

So it looks like the carnauba will shed water a little better, if you're looking for that sort of thing.

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