So you want to Opti-Coat do yah?

toycar18 said:
So set the record straight.

It is optimum's reputation on the line.
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I don't see why it should be OPT's reputation that is on the line when any random person can go on a forum and spout off misinformation as fact.

People should take the source of the information into consideration and also do their own due diligence.

allenk4 said:
Especially regarding the coating thickness claims (1-2 microns) vs. Product used per panel (a few drops)
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Can you please cite your source for the claims of coating thickness? As far as I know, the film build thickness sourced back to OPT is from CEE DOG's review.

And while the claim of "prime the pad and then only a few drops are needed on subsequent panels" is in the product directions, I have not seen Dr. G. or an OPT representative claim that if you follow those directions you get a film build of 2 microns.

In CEE DOG's review, the Q&A section stated that if you were to use the entire contents of a syringe you would end up with that thickness, obviously depending on the size of the car's painted surface area. CEE DOG asks about OC 2.0 in the question, but Dr. G.'s reply simply says Opti-Coat. There is room for possible miscommunication and interpretation there between the question and the answer.

I guess a more specific question could be asked, like "for a 2 micron film build, how many square feet will 10mL of Opti Coat cover?" Now that OC 2.0 is discontinued, perhaps more consumers would be interested in a question along those lines being asked of Opti Gloss.

Regardless of film thickness concerns, Chris Thomas has actually said, and I recall reading this more than once, that the goal of applying the coating is not thickness, but full coverage.

Chris Thomas said:
Wow, I'm not sure that information deserves a "Yikes!" response? I'll try and explain:

The solvent change was made to the pro version prior to releasing to the consumer version. The the difference to the resin was a minor tweak that prolonged the hardening to allow for a longer work time...same resin, slightly modified...but produces the same longevity and functionality while easier to use. Yes, Otpi Guard is more concenrated, but as the solvents flash away and the coating starts the process of dehydrating/hardening you will be left with a nice, even coating with either product.
The goal with either product is full coverage...not thickness.

This whole layering thing may be a product of the Zaino line which required multiple layers to achieve a certain look with extended durability. Layering is necessary for degenerative products that "wear off" with exposure to chemicals and environments, but it is simply not necessary with our coating. Whether the coating is 1 micron, 2 microns, etc. doesn't matter because it will not wear away. The same protection will be there years later. It is really not relevant which version you use or how thick it is applied from a performance POV. I'm sure there are companies that would deliberately continue to manufacturer in order to have you buy more product...and I'll be happy to sell you enough OC to layer as much as you like, but you'd be better off to save that money for gas and just apply a single coat.
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This user has also said Dr. G. told him that thickness doesn't matter, as long as the surface is fully covered.

Rayaz said:
Hey Art,

I am far from an Opti coat guru, but I've done 6 vehicles now (hobby, not pro). I'd stick with a few ounces of APC in the wash bucket and don't use a wash and gloss shampoo. IPA at 15% and right on to it. You will feel it start to drag when you need to add a few drops. USE GOOD LIGHT!

This stuff is actually hard to screw up. My first vehicle took so little product that I panicked and called Optimum. Dr. G called me back and said it was fine because thicker serves no useful purpose. As long as it covered, there is no benefit with a thick coat. I've never had a high spot and I suspect you'd have to put it on pretty thick to get one. After it flashes, a light dust with the micro fiber (new) and on to the next panel. It doesn't fully harden for up to 40 days but you can wash it in 7 days. I'm saving that factoid for Jeopardy if I ever get on there. "Alex, I'll take obscure detailing facts for $100".

I would try to keep it dry as long as possible before the 7 day wash but you should be fine driving the next day. I've heard of people driving in the rain within the first day with no adverse effects but I'm easily frightened of failure so I never did that.

You're going to love this stuff.
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TurboScooter,

The claims from Optimum Polymer Technologies that Opti-Coat 2.0 delivers 1-2 microns of thickness are in all of the OPT marketing materials on their website(s)

From Dr. G himself:

2.-Approximately how many microns will Opti-Coat 2.0 add to paint?

"By using the contents of the syringe on a large SUV, it will add 2-3 microns of Opti-Coat to the paint. For smaller cars you can achieve the same results with less product"

Link to the OPT Forum where the quote came from:

Opti-Coat 2.0 Questions for an article - Ask the Optimum Experts - Optimum Forum

The statement above is not true. Mathematically it is impossible to coat "a large SUV" with a layer 2-3 microns thick, using 20ml of Opti-Coat 2.0

Since Dr. shared emails I sent him with Thomas Dekany, I will share an excerpt from an email response I received from Dr. G regarding this SUV question:

My email to Dr. G

Phone: (901) 363-4955
Fax: (901) 363-4956
On 9/11/2014 10:09 PM, Kyle Allen wrote:

Dr.,

I carefully measured the painted areas of my SUV (diagram attached). I still cannot get the math to work .

Please take a look and let me know what your volume calculation is at 2 microns depth

All Area measurements in inches

Front Grille & Bumper 78" x 9"
Measured in 4 sections 78" x 5"
28" x 5"
28" x 5"

Hood (incl. tops of fenders) 80" x 40"

Section 1 (40" x 20") x2 *

Section 2 (6" x 34") x2

Section 3 (14" x 30") x2

Section 4 (4" x 25") x2

Section 5 (76" x 31") x2

Section 6 (7" x 20") x2

Section 7 (11" x 20") x2

Section 8 (14" x 30") x2

Section 9 (24" x 37") x2

Tailgate** 35" x 74"

Roof (incl. top of doors) 104" x 60"

Mirrors (17" x 6") 2
　
*Sections #1 - #9 are identical on both sides of the vehicle

**D Pillar area is equivalent area to tail light area. Tail light area included in tailgate area. D Pillar area omitted


I got a surface area of 857" x 704" = 603,328 cubic inches

2 microns = .00007874 inches

Gives me 1.9449 cubic inches

Which is 31.871 cubic centimeters/mL
I am not a scientist, not a mathematician, but it seems that there is a discrepancy

Thank You,


Kyle Allen

Dr. G's response:

Mr. Allen,

I think you are missing the point. Of course it would take more product to get the film thickness of 2 micron on a Yukon which is a very large SUV. It would require even more product to achieve the same film thickness on a tractor trailer or an RV! One has to calculate how much product it would take in each specific case as you have done here. I should also point out that in our studies, even at 0.1 micron film thickness, Opti-Coat is impervious to acids or bases and protects the finish from etching. So you do not need to have a 2 micron film thickness to get the full benefits of Opti-Coat.

Best Regards,
David Ghodoussi, CEO
Optimum Polymer Technologies, Inc.
Phone: (901) 363-4955
Fax: (901) 363-4956

Kyle


I can not be more clear than I was in my last email about your misinterpretation / misrepresentation of the statements we have made. Our testing was based on a BMW X5 which is considered a large SUV and certainly the largest SUV BMW makes. Of course there are larger cars such as yours, Hummer, etc. To lump all these cars as large is an invalid argument. Otherwise you can include an RV as a large car and a yacht or even a 727 aircraft as a large vehicle.


Using 20 cc of 2.0 on an X5 resulted in 2 to 3 microns film thickness. That means some areas measured 2 microns and some areas 3. That does not mean on one car you end up with 2 microns film and on another car 3 microns film as you are falsely stating. Obviously you are either misinterpreting our statements or trying to make an invalid arguments. Lastly your argument about using a few drops is invalid. The directions state to add a few drops of Opti-coat 2.0 to the pad and then apply it to one panel at a time. Add more as needed. The point here was to keep people from saturating the pad with excess product causing runs. at the same time you can keep adding more drops to the pad for the same panel till the desired film thickness is achieved.


I am traveling to Frankfort shortly on a business trip and will not be able to respond till I return in ten days. At this point I have to say that if you want to continue making arguments by misrepresenting / misinterpreting our statements, I do not see any point of continuing on anyways.

Best Regards,
David Ghodoussi

Dr. Ghodoussi accuses me of misrepresenting "our statements".
Please note that I have not made any "interpretation" of any statement from OPT. I have simply quoted statements from Dr. Ghodoussi, the OPT official website and employees of the OPT corporate office

I do not know anyone who would consider a BMW X5 to be a "large SUV". OPT further claims in their testing that they achieved 2-3 micron build using 20ml on this X5 test vehicle...2 microns in some spots and 3 microns in others. If you applied it very heavy in one area and got a 5 micron build; would it be accurate to claim a 2-5 micron film build using 20ml?

I understand that there are often Marketing people and Scientists in large companies and sometimes the Marketing starts taking liberties with the scientific data

If the Marketing wants to claim that a little goes a long way (a few drops per panel), they cannot on the same page claim a 1-2 micron thickness and contrast the product favorably to wax, by pointing out how thin a layer of wax is

Opti-Coat 2.0 was a good product, that the OPT Marketing Team got carried away with


Original email thread that began my search for information from OPT.

Ronald,

Thanks for the clarification, but I cannot get it to match up with the verbiage on the website regarding:

- Claimed thickness of one layer and the application guidelines

"3 - Prime the applicator by making an X pattern across the pad. Only a few drops will be needed for each subsequent panel."

- Claimed square footage that can be covered at 2 microns

"The second significant difference is the thickness of the coating. A single layer of Opti-Coat measures approximately 2 microns in thickness."


MSDS Polymer Resin 18-30%

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From: [email protected]
Sent: ‎9/‎10/‎2014 7:45 AM
To: Kyle Allen
Subject: Re: FW: Math Question Opti-Coat 2.0


Kyle -

I mis-spoke, there are references to 2 micorns based on using a full 10 mls of Opti-Coat 2.0. I believe Dr G has responded to you and future technical questions should be directed to him - [email protected].

Best Regards,
Ronald Doyle
Optimum Polymer Technologies, Inc.
Phone: (901) 363-4955
Fax: (901) 363-4956


On 9/9/2014 3:08 PM, Kyle Allen wrote:

Will I hear back on this question?

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From: Kyle Allen
Sent: ‎9/‎5/‎2014 11:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Math Question Opti-Coat 2.0


"Optimum has never stated that Opti-Coat adds 2 microns to paint"

Never?

Paint Protection | Why Opti-Coat?

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From: [email protected]
Sent: ‎9/‎2/‎2014 7:47 AM
To: Kyle Allen
Subject: Re: Math Question Opti-Coat 2.0


Optimum has never stated that Opti-Coat adds 2 microns to paint (my BOLD), there are as you point out so many variables. How is the product applied (spray, pad, towel, etc), how heavily is it applied, what are the weather conditions, etc? Optimum recommends 10 mls for most vehicles using the recommended application methods and under normal conditions that will suffice.

Best Regards,
Ronald Doyle
Optimum Polymer Technologies, Inc.
Phone: (901) 363-4955
Fax: (901) 363-4956



On 8/31/2014 11:47 AM, Kyle Allen wrote:

If Opti-Coat 2.0 adds a layer 2 microns thick to the paint, how is it possible to coat a passenger sedan with 5ml as many users claim?

The hood on my SUV measures 5' x 4'.
Basic math indicates that over 3ml of Opti-Coat 2.0 would be required to coat that area 2 microns thick

Some have speculated that the product may "swell" during the curing process, but I have never seen an official reference to this phenomenon by Optimum

No one has addressed that the applicator certainly retains some product. Maybe someone with an very accurate scale could weigh an applicator before and after the application of Opti-Coat 2.0

We can see with our own eyes that some portion if the product evaporates during the application, further reducing the available volume to build the stated 2 micron thickness

A third factor that has not been mentioned previously is that paint is porous. This will also cause a decrease in above surface film build

Something has to give


Very concerned that 10ml of the NEW Gloss Coat will not be enough to coat an SUV with a 2 micron shield. Is the Gloss-Coat thickness lower?

Thank You,



Kyle Allen
 
so your math came out to ~30 cc for large SUV at max film build (2 microns), right?

if you had to settle between 1-2 microns, you could safely say 20-25 cc.

15-20 cc for medium SUV for 1-2 microns

10-15 cc for small SUV at 1-2 microns

5-10 cc for small sedan/sport coupe at 1-2 microns

all of those windows allow for the carrier to evaporate but also the single component resin to take on water (humidity) and react to form the hard coating.

however...

Dr. G's point about it being just as effective at 1 micron makes sense. the only time a thicker coating would be beneficial, as i see it, is if it's a sacrificial layer that wears away over time. clear coat...ok, more is better. but OPT coating? it's so hard that it has been labeled "permanent" by coating testing standards (although that nomenclature has caused quite an uproar for some reason since OPT changed the warranty). i don't necessarily see why layering it, or trying to achieve max film build, would matter nearly as much as you are making it out to matter since it's not a coating that wears away or gives itself up to protect what is under it. whatever the inherent film build is when it self-levels, which, per OPT is 1-2 microns, is ample.

finally, re: OPT marketing getting carried away...does anyone here really think OPT is a marketing juggernaut? their product popularity seems to have always grown organically through their customers, such as Autogeek, etc. Dr. G is an accredited scientist and, from what i've seen, their marketing "claims" are backed by a combination of field reports from beta testers and facts Dr. G finds in his laboratory.

i appreciate your math though and looking at it logically.
 
Builthatch,

You stated that, "their marketing "claims" are backed by a combination of field reports from beta testers and facts Dr. G finds in his laboratory."

I have not disputed any "field reports", but I have used them base for the discussion of applied coating thickness. OPT claims that one layer yields a film build of 1-2 microns. If this is true, the "field testers" must be doing something wrong, because most of them report using only 5-7ml per car; which is insufficient to support the claim of 1-2 microns

I have not seen any "scientific data" released by OPT regarding this coating

Do you have evidence to support this claim? "all of those windows allow for the carrier to evaporate but also the single component resin to take on water (humidity) and react to form the hard coating."

I have seen nothing from OPT or from the Chemists on the Forum like PiPUK to indicate that the 70-82% of the non-resin components are replaced by "water (humidity)" and thus maintain the total volume required to equal the claimed coating thickness

Does it make sense to you that a Coating composed of 70-82% water would be durable?



If you read through the entirety of the email correspondence, you noticed that:

OPT initially denied that they had ever claimed 1-2 microns, then back-peddled.

The Dr. G claimed that 20ml would coat a large SUV and then back-peddled to make that a BMW X5

OPT has never claimed that any of their products swells or increases in thickness during the curing process

OPT has never disclosed the application technique that was used to achieve the 2-3 micron build on the X5. I know for certain that they did not use the "few drops per panel" technique as they would have had to apply an unrealistic number of layers

How was OPT able to apply and test a layer of OC2.0 that was only 1/10th of a micron thick? I suspect, it was by using a few drops per panel

The math does not account for the porosity of the paint surface

The math does not account for product retained in the applicator after the last wipe of the paint

The math does not account for the volume of product removed when the wipedown is done to remove high spots


A single product can be a lot of things, but it can't be all things simultaneously

I have no doubt that a 2 micron film build can be achieved, just, NOT with a few drops per panel & NOT with one 20ml syringe on a large SUV

As Mike Phillips always says..."Words mean things...choose them carefully.

I believe OPT has recently made a change in the right direction by re-marketing their coatings more realistically with no thickness claim for Gloss-Coat and realistic longevity claims for their full-line



Remember..."Permanent Coating"? That too was an OPT Marketing Claim
 
i'm not a scientist so i can't speak about exactly how the single component resin acts, but i do know it's activated with humidity, has to be kept in a syringe to not react with humidity...and it gets sticky/cures faster in humid conditions. and, when coating is left unattended, it hardens. from what i've seen, it doesn't shrink down to 30% of what was left in the tube. not even close. do i have scientific measurements to approximate how much was left post-curing vs. prior? no. i also am not interested in ruining another tube of coating to measure. but i do know that a majority of the tube was left and a majority of the tube became useless.

and re: "permanent", like i said, Dr. G is someone with background in coatings...specifically, paint. it's very safe to assume that in some part of the coating industry, there are standard tests that are executed to demonstrate durability. apparently, these tests showed that Opti-Coat is permanent as per the industry standards. otherwise, Dr. G isn't going to call it that.

however, as per the non-existent detailing industry standards, that statement caused a lot of uproar, particularly when OPT changed their Pro warranty semantics. keep in mind 2.0 never had a warranty but was also called permanent...and Gloss-Coat is called semi-permanent...my guess would be because...it tested out as being rated "semi-permanent" on some sort of coating industry scale. again, Dr. G himself has stated these ratings so i would bet money that he's not doing it on a whim - there is science backing up his semantics.

good luck in your search. i hope somehow you find peace with this situation haha.
 
Builthatch,

Please revisit the questions I asked directly of you in post #67

These questions were based on statements you made, which I quoted

You may need to reach out directly to OPT for assistance backing up your previous statements. Here is Dr. Ghodoussi email [email protected]

I look forward to viewing the facts behind your statements
 
Builthatch,

Have you heard back from OPT yet?

Looking forward to hearing the "facts"
 
allenk4 said:
Builthatch,

Have you heard back from OPT yet?

Looking forward to hearing the "facts"
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you have a dialogue with them, no need for me to overlap that with the same inquiries, esp. if i don't care. i'm fine with my assumptions because the product kicks ass. if i had a problem with the product in some way, shape or form, i'd be asking more questions but it does everything i expect it to and i trust that Dr. Ghodoussi knows what he's doing with the stuff that's out of my control. but honestly, i have better things to do ; )

thanks.
 
builthatch said:
you have a dialogue with them, no need for me to overlap that with the same inquiries, esp. if i don't care. i'm fine with my assumptions because the product kicks ass. if i had a problem with the product in some way, shape or form, i'd be asking more questions but it does everything i expect it to and i trust that Dr. Ghodoussi knows what he's doing with the stuff that's out of my control. but honestly, i have better things to do ; )

thanks.
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Ahhhhh....the "A" word

I thought you might want an opportunity to back up the statements you made earlier with facts, but I guess your "assumptions" are all I am going to get
 
allenk4 said:
Ahhhhh....the "A" word

I thought you might want an opportunity to back up the statements you made earlier with facts, but I guess your "assumptions" are all I am going to get
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i said i wasn't a chemist. but i gave you observations that lead me to believe certain things. assumptions, educated guesses, whatever. this isn't a court trial, it's a forum. i am not the one that has problems with the semantics, you are. i do not have a problem with one aspect of Opti-Coat. so why should i contact Dr. G to answer your questions?

you apparently approached him like an investigative reporter and it looks like it made the exchange uncomfortable. now you are becoming slightly aggressive to me.

again, you have the phone number and email of the gentleman who created the product. if he can't help you, i can't help you and i shouldn't be expected to help on top of that.
 
allenk4 said:
TurboScooter,

The claims from Optimum Polymer Technologies that Opti-Coat 2.0 delivers 1-2 microns of thickness are in all of the OPT marketing materials on their website(s)

From Dr. G himself:

2.-Approximately how many microns will Opti-Coat 2.0 add to paint?

"By using the contents of the syringe on a large SUV, it will add 2-3 microns of Opti-Coat to the paint. For smaller cars you can achieve the same results with less product"

Link to the OPT Forum where the quote came from:

Opti-Coat 2.0 Questions for an article - Ask the Optimum Experts - Optimum Forum

The statement above is not true. Mathematically it is impossible to coat "a large SUV" with a layer 2-3 microns thick, using 20ml of Opti-Coat 2.0

Since Dr. shared emails I sent him with Thomas Dekany, I will share an excerpt from an email response I received from Dr. G regarding this SUV question:

My email to Dr. G

Phone: (901) 363-4955
Fax: (901) 363-4956
On 9/11/2014 10:09 PM, Kyle Allen wrote:

Dr.,

I carefully measured the painted areas of my SUV (diagram attached). I still cannot get the math to work .

Please take a look and let me know what your volume calculation is at 2 microns depth

All Area measurements in inches

Front Grille & Bumper 78" x 9"
Measured in 4 sections 78" x 5"
28" x 5"
28" x 5"

Hood (incl. tops of fenders) 80" x 40"

Section 1 (40" x 20") x2 *

Section 2 (6" x 34") x2

Section 3 (14" x 30") x2

Section 4 (4" x 25") x2

Section 5 (76" x 31") x2

Section 6 (7" x 20") x2

Section 7 (11" x 20") x2

Section 8 (14" x 30") x2

Section 9 (24" x 37") x2

Tailgate** 35" x 74"

Roof (incl. top of doors) 104" x 60"

Mirrors (17" x 6") 2
　
*Sections #1 - #9 are identical on both sides of the vehicle

**D Pillar area is equivalent area to tail light area. Tail light area included in tailgate area. D Pillar area omitted


I got a surface area of 857" x 704" = 603,328 cubic inches

2 microns = .00007874 inches

Gives me 1.9449 cubic inches

Which is 31.871 cubic centimeters/mL
I am not a scientist, not a mathematician, but it seems that there is a discrepancy

Thank You,


Kyle Allen

Dr. G's response:

Mr. Allen,

I think you are missing the point. Of course it would take more product to get the film thickness of 2 micron on a Yukon which is a very large SUV. It would require even more product to achieve the same film thickness on a tractor trailer or an RV! One has to calculate how much product it would take in each specific case as you have done here. I should also point out that in our studies, even at 0.1 micron film thickness, Opti-Coat is impervious to acids or bases and protects the finish from etching. So you do not need to have a 2 micron film thickness to get the full benefits of Opti-Coat.

Best Regards,
David Ghodoussi, CEO
Optimum Polymer Technologies, Inc.
Phone: (901) 363-4955
Fax: (901) 363-4956

Kyle


I can not be more clear than I was in my last email about your misinterpretation / misrepresentation of the statements we have made. Our testing was based on a BMW X5 which is considered a large SUV and certainly the largest SUV BMW makes. Of course there are larger cars such as yours, Hummer, etc. To lump all these cars as large is an invalid argument. Otherwise you can include an RV as a large car and a yacht or even a 727 aircraft as a large vehicle.


Using 20 cc of 2.0 on an X5 resulted in 2 to 3 microns film thickness. That means some areas measured 2 microns and some areas 3. That does not mean on one car you end up with 2 microns film and on another car 3 microns film as you are falsely stating. Obviously you are either misinterpreting our statements or trying to make an invalid arguments. Lastly your argument about using a few drops is invalid. The directions state to add a few drops of Opti-coat 2.0 to the pad and then apply it to one panel at a time. Add more as needed. The point here was to keep people from saturating the pad with excess product causing runs. at the same time you can keep adding more drops to the pad for the same panel till the desired film thickness is achieved.


I am traveling to Frankfort shortly on a business trip and will not be able to respond till I return in ten days. At this point I have to say that if you want to continue making arguments by misrepresenting / misinterpreting our statements, I do not see any point of continuing on anyways.

Best Regards,
David Ghodoussi

Dr. Ghodoussi accuses me of misrepresenting "our statements".
Please note that I have not made any "interpretation" of any statement from OPT. I have simply quoted statements from Dr. Ghodoussi, the OPT official website and employees of the OPT corporate office

I do not know anyone who would consider a BMW X5 to be a "large SUV". OPT further claims in their testing that they achieved 2-3 micron build using 20ml on this X5 test vehicle...2 microns in some spots and 3 microns in others. If you applied it very heavy in one area and got a 5 micron build; would it be accurate to claim a 2-5 micron film build using 20ml?

I understand that there are often Marketing people and Scientists in large companies and sometimes the Marketing starts taking liberties with the scientific data

If the Marketing wants to claim that a little goes a long way (a few drops per panel), they cannot on the same page claim a 1-2 micron thickness and contrast the product favorably to wax, by pointing out how thin a layer of wax is

Opti-Coat 2.0 was a good product, that the OPT Marketing Team got carried away with


Original email thread that began my search for information from OPT.

Ronald,

Thanks for the clarification, but I cannot get it to match up with the verbiage on the website regarding:

- Claimed thickness of one layer and the application guidelines

"3 - Prime the applicator by making an X pattern across the pad. Only a few drops will be needed for each subsequent panel."

- Claimed square footage that can be covered at 2 microns

"The second significant difference is the thickness of the coating. A single layer of Opti-Coat measures approximately 2 microns in thickness."


MSDS Polymer Resin 18-30%

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From: [email protected]
Sent: ‎9/‎10/‎2014 7:45 AM
To: Kyle Allen
Subject: Re: FW: Math Question Opti-Coat 2.0


Kyle -

I mis-spoke, there are references to 2 micorns based on using a full 10 mls of Opti-Coat 2.0. I believe Dr G has responded to you and future technical questions should be directed to him - [email protected].

Best Regards,
Ronald Doyle
Optimum Polymer Technologies, Inc.
Phone: (901) 363-4955
Fax: (901) 363-4956


On 9/9/2014 3:08 PM, Kyle Allen wrote:

Will I hear back on this question?

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From: Kyle Allen
Sent: ‎9/‎5/‎2014 11:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Math Question Opti-Coat 2.0


"Optimum has never stated that Opti-Coat adds 2 microns to paint"

Never?

Paint Protection | Why Opti-Coat?

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From: [email protected]
Sent: ‎9/‎2/‎2014 7:47 AM
To: Kyle Allen
Subject: Re: Math Question Opti-Coat 2.0


Optimum has never stated that Opti-Coat adds 2 microns to paint (my BOLD), there are as you point out so many variables. How is the product applied (spray, pad, towel, etc), how heavily is it applied, what are the weather conditions, etc? Optimum recommends 10 mls for most vehicles using the recommended application methods and under normal conditions that will suffice.

Best Regards,
Ronald Doyle
Optimum Polymer Technologies, Inc.
Phone: (901) 363-4955
Fax: (901) 363-4956



On 8/31/2014 11:47 AM, Kyle Allen wrote:

If Opti-Coat 2.0 adds a layer 2 microns thick to the paint, how is it possible to coat a passenger sedan with 5ml as many users claim?

The hood on my SUV measures 5' x 4'.
Basic math indicates that over 3ml of Opti-Coat 2.0 would be required to coat that area 2 microns thick

Some have speculated that the product may "swell" during the curing process, but I have never seen an official reference to this phenomenon by Optimum

No one has addressed that the applicator certainly retains some product. Maybe someone with an very accurate scale could weigh an applicator before and after the application of Opti-Coat 2.0

We can see with our own eyes that some portion if the product evaporates during the application, further reducing the available volume to build the stated 2 micron thickness

A third factor that has not been mentioned previously is that paint is porous. This will also cause a decrease in above surface film build

Something has to give


Very concerned that 10ml of the NEW Gloss Coat will not be enough to coat an SUV with a 2 micron shield. Is the Gloss-Coat thickness lower?

Thank You,



Kyle Allen
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Wow.
How and when do you find time for detailing.
 
builthatch said:
i'm not a scientist so i can't speak about exactly how the single component resin acts, but i do know it's activated with humidity, has to be kept in a syringe to not react with humidity...and it gets sticky/cures faster in humid conditions. and, when coating is left unattended, it hardens. from what i've seen, it doesn't shrink down to 30% of what was left in the tube. not even close. do i have scientific measurements to approximate how much was left post-curing vs. prior? no. i also am not interested in ruining another tube of coating to measure. but i do know that a majority of the tube was left and a majority of the tube became useless.

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I, as well as many others I know who've tested various coatings, would disagree with the above. When I put OCP into a small open container the majority of the coating evaporated, leaving behind a gel like substance. It never fully hardened after a couple days in the open air, at which time I just threw it out.

Now I know there is a lot more to coatings than this, and I didn't take this test as a good or bad thing, I just wanted to see what happened after seeing other coatings post pictures of their products turning hard.

Have you actually done such a test? Based on your post I would guess not...
 
RaskyR1 said:
I, as well as many others I know who've tested various coatings, would disagree with the above. When I put OCP into a small open container the majority of the coating evaporated, leaving behind a gel like substance. It never fully hardened after a couple days in the open air, at which time I just threw it out.

Now I know there is a lot more to coatings than this, and I didn't take this test as a good or bad thing, I just wanted to see what happened after seeing other coatings post pictures of their products turning hard.

Have you actually done such a test? Based on your post I would guess not...
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test? no. accident? yes. i had a tube of 2.0 that had no cap and was left behind some things like that, pointing up - no black cap, no blue piece, plunger pulled back so there was a several cc space. when i went back a long time later...i dunno, a month, month and a half, it was solidified to the point where the plunger wouldn't move. was it fully hardened? was it all gel? was it solid on the end and gel elsewhere? i don't know - the plunger didn't budge AT ALL and it didn't move or ooze in the tube...but i can assure you that it didn't shrink close to 30% of what i had left in the tube.

and i will never let it happen again. i store each tube in a sealed bag.
 
builthatch said:
test? no. accident? yes. i had a tube of 2.0 that had no cap and was left behind some things like that, pointing up - no black cap, no blue piece, plunger pulled back so there was a several cc space. when i went back a long time later...i dunno, a month, month and a half, it was solidified to the point where the plunger wouldn't move. was it fully hardened? was it all gel? was it solid on the end and gel elsewhere? i don't know - the plunger didn't budge AT ALL and it didn't move or ooze in the tube...but i can assure you that it didn't shrink close to 30% of what i had left in the tube.

and i will never let it happen again. i store each tube in a sealed bag.
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Very Scientific analysis that can be directly related to the real world application of the product


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