Soaps used in excess can degrade lsp??

Okay, so I fully understand about using an abrasive (light polish, compound and such) to remove sealants but what about a non-abrasive cleaner like P21S or some other pre wax cleaner. From what I understand these are chemical cleaners.
 
Seems like a no brainier, mechanical action + abrasive polish trumps (not Donald) all, experts agree.

I'm not willing to test, but while on the "chemical + water" route, seems like a logical choice might be, liquid "PAD" cleaner, wash or rubdown.

I got on the stripping thing as CG's customer support recommended it. However this is a "off label" recommendation.

CG-CWS-302 Red this product number, brings up zero results at CG's store. Perhaps discontinued item, I was interested to see if it was [sealant/wax friendly], the Citrus W/G shows friendly, my thinking is if, it's not on the label, most likely it won't work, for other purpose's.
 
Mike.Phillips@Autogeek said:
Ding ding ding! Give the man a prize!


I feel so vindicated. This is what I do and this is what I've been telling people to do since I started posting to the Interweb.

First - Like stated above this is the only way you can know for sure that you've removed every scintilla of previously applied wax or sealant.
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:dblthumb2:

I think the feeling is mutual! I have been telling people this for years and it bugs the life out of me when you see people who play the detailing guru and discuss how a squirt of dawn in a water bucket will strip anything.

The other nice thing is that you and I are in total agreement - science and practice as one!
 
Ricorocks said:
CG-CWS-302 Red this product number, brings up zero results at CG's store. Perhaps discontinued item, I was interested to see if it was [sealant/wax friendly], the Citrus W/G shows friendly, my thinking is if, it's not on the label, most likely it won't work, for other purpose's.
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I think it's been two years since CG listed the product but you can get it here and many other places.

Chemical Guys Citrus Wash Red

Even thought it doesn't remove old LSPs I always use it before polishing for a deep cleaning then 3D Pink for routine washes.
 
This thread is AWESOME!!

So would say a autoscrub pad take off old wax too? I would think so...right? Or no?
 
Ski2 - Yes I saw it here, & have no intention to purchase. But you open up a new can of worms. 1st we agree it's not for stripping, nor is CG's W/G. Again off label, usage is not valid IMO

Worms -
I always use it before polishing for a deep cleaning
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Why does this shampoo give a "deep cleaning" that other shampoos can't?

Someone correct me here if I'm wrong: But shampoos & soaps are "wetting agents", & remove junk by, forming a bubble around debris, "wetting agents" being slippery, allow for the bubbled dirt, to easily glide off the car. Leaving the paint able to hold more water, as the dirt is removed, or can now be replaced by water.

So I'm not clear how or a deeper clean, can be achieved, by Red? Also what does deeper clean mean?
 
It's just semantics--guess I used incorrect terminology. Perhaps aggressive wash (a description Mike Phillips uses) or strong wash would be a better description. CG Red dilution for a normal wash is 1 oz to 5 gallons and their "stripping" dilution (which we know doesn't work) is a much more aggressive or strong wash. I like to use it before I'm going to decontaminate and polish to assure the surface is very clean. Since it's a citrus based shampoo I find at the stronger dilution it removes light tar specs and heavy road grime etc. very easily.
 
I guess ricorocks is likely to extend his question as to what is an 'aggressive' or 'strong' wash. IMO, such a description is something that fits when using a strongly alkaline wash (ph 8-10 do NOT count). I don't believe the shampoo in discussion is actually like this so one does wonder what CG would mean here. Yes, it will have some citrus component, but I would be surprised if it is much beyond 1%. By the time you dilute it in your bucket, it is miniscule (for instance, 1% in the product, 1oz to 5 gallons is 12.5 parts per million of citrus solvent). Being brutally honest, there will be more citrus solvent in many spray waxes or QDs, as components in their fragrances! In the diluted product, the citrus solvent will help the cleaning but there is no way it is sufficient to warrant it being described as 'deep cleaning'.
 
Could be wrong here! With the same agitation of shampoo (wash mit), I don't believe two oz vs one oz, cleans deeper than one. Clean is the removal of "dirt" they both work the same way. What I think your saying by "deeper" is the stronger solution, can remove more dirt from the, non smooth surface.

Like a spec of dirt hiding in a golf ball "dimple", two oz of shampoo, won' t clean better than one. Unless more bubbles are made by 2 oz. If the dirt is gone from the "dimple" you can't get deeper cleaning, as the dirt has been removed. You see this, as the dirt no longer blocks, the light, from reaching your eye.

Take Care & Merry Christmas to all

Edit: CG does not tout stripping, on labeled product. The closest they come is wax sealant friendly yes/no. Customer support, advocates 1oz/1gal Citrus W/G for stripping, that IMO is wrong.
 
Let rinsing reveal if your using too much soap. DG 902 in excess will take a long time to rinse away all the bubbles.
 
Ricorocks said:
Edit: CG does not tout stripping, on labeled product. The closest they come is wax sealant friendly yes/no. Customer support, advocates 1oz/1gal Citrus W/G for stripping, that IMO is wrong.
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On my most current bottle of the CG Citrus Red is states to use 1 oz per 5 gallons for a wax/sealant safe wash and 1 oz per gallon for a stronger wash to remove "heavy grime and left over wax." In the past I think it did use the word "stripping." Hey, in any case like Mike says finds something you like and use it.

I feel the stronger wash cleans better when I'm going to clay and polish and it does remove existing dressing from black plastic parts so I'm happy.

And a great Christmas to you also!!!!
 
Very interesting thread.....

My take is that most people who want to strip their paint at the wash stage will likely be cleaning, polishing or correcting the vehicle anyway. So whether or not the strip-diltution-ratio chosen by the detailer does something more than "remove dirt" is meaningless anyway.

Or.... is there a counter point to this?
 
mwoolfso said:
Very interesting thread.....

My take is that most people who want to strip their paint at the wash stage will likely be cleaning, polishing or correcting the vehicle anyway. So whether or not the strip-diltution-ratio chosen by the detailer does something more than "remove dirt" is meaningless anyway.

Or.... is there a counter point to this?
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I guess the only counter point would be when someone wants to use a new LSP (no polishing involved) but then they could use a good prewax chemical cleaner.
 
ski2 said:
I guess the only counter point would be when someone wants to use a new LSP (no polishing involved) but then they could use a good prewax chemical cleaner.
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Exactly. It doesn't take long at all to do that.

To be honest, a lot of us are using LSPs that last at least 6 months any way so taking the time twice a year to do a fine polish is nothing.
 
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