SON1C Blue Paint Correction 40+ hours invested , enjoy!

[SON1C]

So it goes something like this..picked this up used, and have been caught up working/school full time, well finally I've had the opportunity to sink some hard work into this bad boy so the correction went something like this..

Spent hours upon hours researching techniques and products
griots garage 5" backing plate, uber full set of pads all colors 5 (not used)
cyan hydro techs (cutting) x2 tangerine hydrotech pads polishing/aios x2
m105 m205 p085/sf4500 (not used)

note all pictures taken with iphone 4

quick wash..

claying

remove headlights tails spoiler tape emblems

pad prep..

m105 correction begins.. incredible improvement

side by side comparison taped off both sides clean / ipa wiped

awful m105 dusting

another side by side of just 105

pad failure

the cyans ripped apart while polishing, just exploded

ipa wipedowns

12 hours

sitting dirty after just 105, no editing, great improvement already..

day 2..

different location, foaming session, quick wash

remove heads tails spoiler etc again

break out m205

polish, polish, polish

ipa wipedowns

finish day 2 ending with completion of step 2 polish

day 3..

total ipa wipedown

hand apply black light entire car.. twice

hand apply jetseal109 entire car.. twice

buff to new level

drive vehicle and proceed to be rained upon..

some of the expenses..

 

[SON1C]

Pictures, opinions, etc

mothers microfiber, wow! under rated, much better than my over priced cobras and better than some of the cg towels, this towel is great, if you want a sample of it pickup a mothers claybar kit

bluesmokesixxers freshly corrected gt rear bumper cover

check out some of the contamination taken off of just a section of this piece..

and another..

guess you could say that im sold on black tails.. courtesy of blues test fit! lol

how I keep track of my frog tape

midday day 2

foam down prep for m205 (day 2 / polish day)

wash

sampling m105 on relatives tahoe, they quickly learned its not as easy as it looks haha

little bit of pad cleaning, carpro paint cleaner.. yeah its not supposed to soften your clearcoat like apparently ipa will (which I used 70% 1:1) I used the paint cleaner, it acted pretty much the same, maybe a little less potent, way over priced its something like 1000x more expensive because I pickedup a couple 32 oz of ipa for cheap from wegmans, won't be buying paint cleaner again

 

[SON1C]

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mini photoshoot upon completion

 

[Hammondc]

Nice write up. I wonder what caused the blue pad failure?

 

[swanicyouth]

Nice job. A lot of hard work that paid off!
I'm wondering, were you polishing outside or in a hot garage? I noticed this heat really affects how hot pads can get. Even on my Porter Cable the pad area was getting pretty warm.

If you flip flop between two pads it gives them time to cool down.

 

[Mike@DedicatedPerfection]

Very well documented write up. Car looks great.

 

[BobbyG]

WOW, what a great writeup with a ton of before and after photos! :dblthumb2:

Pad Failure

More often than not, I've discovered that my pad failures are due to two things in particular; too much product and downward force.

When a pad becomes saturated, the motion of the pad combined with downward force causes the liquid to heat and degrades both the foam and Velcro adhesive which leads to the failure.

You're Mustang came out gorgeous and that blue is stunning! To some detailing is a relatively easy task that should take no more than a couple of hours tops.

I'm glad you took the time to document your work and share it with the group....rops:

 

[TimmyG]

Well done, Sonic.

 

[Klasse Act]

That blue is stunning, great job!

 

[AutowerxDetailing]

Great work! Those 50/50 shots show amazing improvement. rops:

 

[drbobbybones]

great write up. I'd love to see how much durability you get out of the BL/Jetseal combo. I have both, but I've never used them together.

 

[Jomax]

Looks really good! First time using M105? Was it pretty easy to use?


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[swanicyouth]

40 hours is what it takes me too to wash thoroughly, clay, do a 3 step correction, apply 2 coats of a sealant, 2 coats of a wax, clean jams and wells, and dress all trim.

I have no idea how guys do multi step corrections in a day, but I see write ups on them all the time. One thing I do notice,when I work on my own car I tend to do a lot of steps twice for thoroughness.

 

[SON1C]

Nice write up. I wonder what caused the blue pad failure?

I guess between a little too much product, not switching pads often enough working in 90-100 humid heat too much pressure, poor quality pads, probably a mixture of all of the above, but thank you

Nice job. A lot of hard work that paid off!
I'm wondering, were you polishing outside or in a hot garage? I noticed this heat really affects how hot pads can get. Even on my Porter Cable the pad area was getting pretty warm.

If you flip flop between two pads it gives them time to cool down.

polishing in a cool garage compared to outside lol, but thanks though and at 40+ hours it better have! parts of my gg would have slightly burned if you kept your finger on it

Very well documented write up. Car looks great.

thanks :xyxthumbs:

WOW, what a great writeup with a ton of before and after photos! :dblthumb2:

Pad Failure

More often than not, I've discovered that my pad failures are due to two things in particular; too much product and downward force.

When a pad becomes saturated, the motion of the pad combined with downward force causes the liquid to heat and degrades both the foam and Velcro adhesive which leads to the failure.

You're Mustang came out gorgeous and that blue is stunning! To some detailing is a relatively easy task that should take no more than a couple of hours tops.

I'm glad you took the time to document your work and share it with the group....rops:

thanks bobby appreciate the input, although we had pad fatalities the results were well worth the loss!

Well done, Sonic.

thanks timmy :dblthumb2:

 

[SON1C]

That blue is stunning, great job!

thank you rops:

Great work! Those 50/50 shots show amazing improvement. rops:

yeah this car really needed it, and the side by side swirl removal is only 105! thanks man :buffing:

 

[SON1C]

great write up. I'd love to see how much durability you get out of the BL/Jetseal combo. I have both, but I've never used them together.

I better get a lot lol, not even one coat but two coats of each, and I'll be adding a coat or two of nuba and sprucing up with v7, thanks for viewing :xyxthumbs:

Looks really good! First time using M105? Was it pretty easy to use?


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yes it was, and it was easy to use, but I couldn't control the dusting, it was bad, all the time, however the results were worth the pain

40 hours is what it takes me too to wash thoroughly, clay, do a 3 step correction, apply 2 coats of a sealant, 2 coats of a wax, clean jams and wells, and dress all trim.

I have no idea how guys do multi step corrections in a day, but I see write ups on them all the time. One thing I do notice,when I work on my own car I tend to do a lot of steps twice for thoroughness.

neither do I, nor would I understand how you'd do all that on a trashed paint like this! I haven't even fixed the wheels yet! or glass and trim, and yeah I try to be as thorough as possible on my car if not over, my logic is if I'm going to do it, I'm gonna do it right you know, instead of half assing and and thus getting half ass results :buffing::buffing::buffing::buffing::buffing:

 

[Vegas Transplant]

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40 hours is what it takes me too to wash thoroughly, clay, do a 3 step correction, apply 2 coats of a sealant, 2 coats of a wax, clean jams and wells, and dress all trim.

I have no idea how guys do multi step corrections in a day, but I see write ups on them all the time. One thing I do notice,when I work on my own car I tend to do a lot of steps twice for thoroughness.

You will one day. I admire your tenacity.

 

[eaglefan]

Nice job. 105 is a pain, but less product is better. I would guess thats what happened to the pad, to much product. Even if you were priming the pad, like in the one picture, that would be to much for me. With my experience, use less of 105 and work smaller areas. Keep playing around with those 2 things. You will eventually dial it in. I always use many pads when using 105 also. Have fun

 

[chris.ganucheau]

In the garage that car looks very dark and in the sun it looks light an amazing! Nice job!!

 

[gmck]

I guess between a little too much product, not switching pads often enough working in 90-100 humid heat too much pressure, poor quality pads, probably a mixture of all of the above, but thank you

poor quality pads

Spent hours upon hours researching techniques

I don’t really wish to sound negative, because the outcome of your effort seems to have certainly satisfied you. However for the sake of new comers here I think this type of post should be corrected for their benefit and hopefully yours as well.

You claim poor quality pads for the failure of the cyan and the tangerine pad. That could not be further from the truth because those pads happen to be very good quality pads if used correctly.

Your obvious mistake was the ridiculous amount of product (M105) you used on the cyan pad. I’d suggest before you blame the quality of the pads that you should have done even more research and learnt how to properly prime a cyan pad. My suggestion to you and anyone else reading, who wishes to use M105 would be to read up on the Kevin Brown method (KBM). It is more than likely that you would have experienced exactly the same problem if you were using the conventional orange and white pads from LC using the same product(s) and technique.

Obviously switching out pads and using the correct pressure and speed are other important considerations. A vehicle of that size (an average size vehicle) would require at least 4 cyan pads to complete a major correction with M105. However if a set of pads is used correctly and cared for after use, then there is no reason for them not to be used on many vehicle corrections. Premature pad failure is almost always user error not manufacturer error.

You will also find as you correct more vehicles in different weather extremes, that temperature and humidity is only a minor consideration. As long as the panel is cool to touch, it shouldn't matter what the temperature is.