SONAX Perfect finish OR Menzerna PF2500

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Okay everyone, I know it's the battle of the one-steps. I've consulted Todd's amazing thread (The Ultimate 1-Step Showdown! - Autopia Forums - Auto Detailing & Car Care Discussion Forum) and I still want to get feedback from detailers who have used both and can give real assessments to their individual characteristics.


I've heard plenty of, PF2500 was the best, but not anymore - Perfect Finish has the crown and then I've also heard you just can't beat 2500.

So... now a free for all. Which is best and why? I will be buying one of them on the next order (nope, can't do both and do a test this time, too many new pads I gotta buy). By the way, the pads I will be using are Lake Country Hydro-Tech pads. I was thinking I could use this polish that you all will help me choose, with either cyan or tangerine depending on the severity of the defects and hardness of paint.

Okay... Let the battle begin... Who will be king!?!?!
 
I have compared Sonax 3/6 to Menz 2500. Both are excellent and imo, the only significant difference is the 3/6 is easier to remove. Both polishes finish out about the same, though I'm working on white or silver so perhaps that's not the ultimate test.
 
Radarryan said:
Okay everyone, I know it's the battle of the one-steps. I've consulted Todd's amazing thread (The Ultimate 1-Step Showdown! - Autopia Forums - Auto Detailing & Car Care Discussion Forum) and I still want to get feedback from detailers who have used both and can give real assessments to their individual characteristics.


I've heard plenty of, PF2500 was the best, but not anymore - Perfect Finish has the crown and then I've also heard you just can't beat 2500.

So... now a free for all. Which is best and why? I will be buying one of them on the next order (nope, can't do both and do a test this time, too many new pads I gotta buy). By the way, the pads I will be using are Lake Country Hydro-Tech pads. I was thinking I could use this polish that you all will help me choose, with either cyan or tangerine depending on the severity of the defects and hardness of paint.

Okay... Let the battle begin... Who will be king!?!?!
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M205 wasn't tested in the comparison...... Likely because it would have had the advantage.....

With the pad, machine used M205 would have ate that test finish for breakfast.
 
Don't understand how the test would be the ultimate when the standard wasn't even tested..... M205.....

Also M83 wasn't tested either......
 
I prefer the Sonax on BMW black paint. I had one that had major swirls and the Sonax along with an orange pad took out about 80% of those swirls. If i stepped up to a yellow cutting pad i'd guarantee you that they would all be gone.
 
I have both PF2500 and Sonax PF... I have not used them in a side by side comparison, so it is hard for me to comment on how they directly compete in terms of cutting and finishing. I will tell you that in each instance, I have been very impressed with both products. I think Sonax is geared more towards finishing down better on softer paints, but again, I have not done any testing myself so I cannot speak from direct head-to-head experience.

Dark Blue Lexus GX470 one-step with Sonax PF

Grey Porsche 911 Turbo One-Step with Menzerna PF2500


jankerson said:
M205 wasn't tested in the comparison...... Likely because it would have had the advantage.....

With the pad, machine used M205 would have ate that test finish for breakfast.
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^You seem to really love Meguiar's products and have something negative to say about most other suggestions. Don't get me wrong, I love M205 and use it regularly. The fact of the matter is that no one polish will excel in every situation. M205 definitely has its limitations and there are other products that perform much better in certain scenarios... very soft paint is one situation that comes to mind.
 
zmcgovern45 said:
I have both PF2500 and Sonax PF... I have not used them in a side by side comparison, so it is hard for me to comment on how they directly compete in terms of cutting and finishing. I will tell you that in each instance, I have been very impressed with both products. I think Sonax is geared more towards finishing down better on softer paints, but again, I have not done any testing myself so I cannot speak from direct head-to-head experience.

Dark Blue Lexus GX470 one-step with Sonax PF

Grey Porsche 911 Turbo One-Step with Menzerna PF2500




^You seem to really love Meguiar's products and have something negative to say about most other suggestions. Don't get me wrong, I love M205 and use it regularly. The fact of the matter is that no one polish will excel in every situation. M205 definitely has its limitations and there are other products that perform much better in certain scenarios... very soft paint is one situation that comes to mind.
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Negative? When, Where?

Ah... Never said anything negative about the other products.....

All I said was for it to be the ultimate test as the OP said that the standards should have also been tested.

So the products would have something to compare too.... To see how they stack up against the standard.

Otherwise they are just being compared to each other like they were.....
 
Maybe negative was the wrong description... but you seem to put Meguiar's products on a pedestal in most of your replies. Again, they make fantastic products, but having an open mind and accepting that other products will produce better results in certain situations will allow you to be a much more well rounded detailer... that is all I was trying to say.
 
zmcgovern45 said:
Maybe negative was the wrong description... but you seem to put Meguiar's products on a pedestal in most of your replies. Again, they make fantastic products, but having an open mind and accepting that other products will produce better results in certain situations will allow you to be a much more well rounded detailer... that is all I was trying to say.
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Been doing this for 30 years off and on and I have used a lot of other products over the years.

Haven't seen the need to add others currently other than maybe an AIO product like D151, XMT 360 or M66...

However if the need arises I would look to other products...
 
I have become a huge fan of Sonax PF The amount of cut you get along with the finishing ablities is great. I find myself reaching for it first if I am doing a one step correction.

I have used Menzerna PF2500 and it too is great but i think you get a much better finishing with Sonax.

I agree with Zach in that the Sonax PF is gear more towards the softer paints and helps finish down easier.
 
GenesisCoupe said:
Adams products are the best.
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LAWLZ red text.

I have used PF2500 on soft paint (Acura/Honda) and it finished very well. Sonax Perfect Finish is another product that I have but have not had a chance to use.

Another nice finisher that I have been playing with is HD polish.
 
zmcgovern45 said:
Maybe negative was the wrong description... but you seem to put Meguiar's products on a pedestal in most of your replies. Again, they make fantastic products, but having an open mind and accepting that other products will produce better results in certain situations will allow you to be a much more well rounded detailer... that is all I was trying to say.
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Forgot to add. :D

The only reason why I never chose it as my main JOB/Career is because I have an extremely low tolerance for BS..... And those type people that cause drama etc.

So I keep it down to very few cars that I do over a year etc....... And that's by design..... Due to my tolerance level.....

I am much better than I used to be in my younger days however. :D
 
I have a qt of the new-version PF2500 and I also have a liter of the Sonax Perfect Finish on the way.

My first and only experience with PF2500 was that it delivered a surprising amount of cut. I used my Rupes 21, a Meg MF Finishing Disc and PF2500 on an Arctic Metallic 328i. Most of moderate swirls were removed and the finish was acceptable for a DD.

From conversations with local detailers, Sonax Perfect Finish may be a better choice for dark paints that are soft. I witnessed a black G37 with moderate swirls get polished down to perfection in just couple a passes, and the finish was outstanding.

Of course, there's the ongoing controversy over its durable fillers, so this may not be the best polish to use for cars that will be coated. However, I think it has a true place in my arsenal for 1-steps on dark color cars that will not be coated.
 
Menz PF2500 is already good, great combination with HT tangerine pad or flat white pad, easy to use, will remove light swirls, finish really well and provides a great gloss.
I have observed same characteristics with Sonax Perfect finish. Will cut and finish equally on normal paint finishes, sonax perfect finish will just finish better on soft paints.
Menz PF 2500 will need more product application in contrast with sonax perfect finish where in 2-3 pea size is enough. More product will tend to gum up your pad faster, making correction less efficient.
But to the eye of an average joe, there will no noticeable difference in finish between the two.
 
From what I'm hearing, the breakdown time is significantly shorter with Sonax PF than PF2500.
 
jankerson said:
Been doing this for 30 years off and on and I have used a lot of other products over the years.

Haven't seen the need to add others currently other than maybe an AIO product like D151, XMT 360 or M66...

However if the need arises I would look to other products...
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Since u like the megs products so much let me ask u about the Pink Reconditioning crème and the green 66. Whats the diff and just tell me about what u think. I have 66 and like it but I read a lot of people like the reconditioning crème. Think its D151. Thanks
 
stilltipping3 said:
Since u like the megs products so much let me ask u about the Pink Reconditioning crème and the green 66. Whats the diff and just tell me about what u think. I have 66 and like it but I read a lot of people like the reconditioning crème. Think its D151. Thanks
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D151 is awesome stuff, excellent AIO IMO.

It uses the SMAT technology.

Working time is short, 3 passes and move on to the next section letting the product haze on the surface. Then go back later and wipe it off, after 20 mins or so.

Don't use too much product or it will dust some, don't overload the pad and clean the pad often.

You can also use it as a 2 step process because it has really good cut especially on the MF pads and the LC Cyan. So you can do a correcting step and wipe it off wet and then go back and apply with a finishing pad. Then let it haze and wipe it off.

Haven't used 66 in years, but from what I do remember it's a good product, doesn't have the correcting ability of D151 though.

It's fast to use and it works very well.
 
PF is rumored to be a filler polish.
However I do not know if it is true or not.
But I did use PF as my 1 step when I prepped my 2013 Tacoma for gtechniq c1 and exov2
The coating is definitely still there, I'd say it bonded properly, because it still bead like crazy.
Not to mention, the ease of application and removal.
 
I've compared Sonax PF with M205 side by side, same pads, pressure, and passes on a Honda S2000 Rio Yellow. Sonax cut way more and finished down finer than M205. The finish was perfect. Where as there were still very micro swirls left after the M205.

I've never tried 2500, but I have FG400 and have been told all Menzerna products smell the same. Based on the smell, if cut and finish were held constant for PF and 2500, I'd smell PF over 2500 any day lol.
 
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