Souveran Paste Wax Causing Swirls in Black Car

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Hi guys,

I have PBL sealant on there, and was topping with Souveran. Everytime I wipe off, I see the paint swirling and marring. I am certain my technique is correct.

Is this normal and I never noticed? Or did my Souveran go bad? It is only 1 year old and stayed sealed.

Thanks!
 
If I had to guess, somehow it sounds like the Souveran is revealing something further down into the different levels (sealant, clear, paint).
 
I really doubt it's the wax.

More like the applicator or micro is doing it. Or maybe if you pull it out in the sun and let it sit for a while it will level out. Some waxes actually look like the have swirls in it from the wipe off, but will soon level out with some heat or time.
 
Souveran doesn't cause swirls so it's either the applicator or wipe off towel you're using.
 
crazyhank said:
Hi guys,

I have PBL sealant on there, and was topping with Souveran. Everytime I wipe off, I see the paint swirling and marring. I am certain my technique is correct.

Is this normal and I never noticed? Or did my Souveran go bad? It is only 1 year old and stayed sealed.

Thanks!
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There's nothing abrasive in Souveran, so the swirl marks (if that's indeed what you're seeing) are caused by the applicator or something trapped in the applicator.
 
ronkh57 said:
More like the applicator or micro is doing it.
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This is my vote.

I've never used Souveran, but have had the unfortunate privilege to buff out a car with a MF Towel that caused some swirls. Really frustrating.
 
Thanks guys! I tried all those variables on applicator/towel. It just seems that since the soureran i used last year, it almost crystalized. Much harder and different looking. Crispy around the rim.

ever see this? anything i can do?
 
crazyhank said:
Hi guys,

I have PBL sealant on there, and was topping with Souveran. Everytime I wipe off, I see the paint swirling and marring. I am certain my technique is correct.

Is this normal and I never noticed?
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That's not normal at all and I've never seen this ever happen with this wax or any "Finishing Wax".

Souveran Paste wax is a finishing wax or you can call it a show car wax. It has ZERO cleaner and ZERO abrasives. It should ONLY be used on paint that is new or perfect to start with since it has no cleaning ability.

So what you're seeing is NOT normal. :dunno:


crazyhank said:
Or did my Souveran go bad?

It is only 1 year old and stayed sealed.
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crazyhank said:
It just seems that since the soureran i used last year, it almost crystalized.

Much harder and different looking.

Crispy around the rim.

ever see this? anything i can do?
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I've never seen this with Souveran either, that is hard, different looking or crispy around the rim.

Keeping the jar sealed is the right way to store it as there's a rubber O-ring gasket between the jar and the lid to create an air tight seal.

The other part of storing the wax is to store it out of extreme temperatures, for example extreme cold or extreme heat.


From your description, something has happened but it's not normal.


:)
 
Perhaps the swirls/markings, that
you are now seeing, are due to:

The aftermath of "Swelling"...the
solvent-induced swelling of paint film(s).


Bob
 
Is your paint perfectly clean before you applied the wax?
"I washed the car last night" is not gonna cut it. Lol.
 
Pictures would go a long way in helping people help you.

I've never heard of any type of wax of this quality ever "causing" swirls, so my guess is that something is going on that you haven't figured out yet. I'd take pictures of what you're seeing and of the wax inside the jar, as well as wax applied to the paint, then after wiping it off. Try to capture what you're seeing and post it to the forum.

I have used several waxes that after wiping them off looked flawless only for the vehicle to sit outside over night and then with the morning dew you can see 'ghosting' from where the fibers of the towels wiped across the paint and/or glass. I've seen this with paste waxes, spray waxes, detailers, and even glass cleaners...with new unwashed high quality micro-fiber towels and with washed high quality mf towels. I think it's just something that happens with the dew that I cannot explain. I've even had the framework from underneath the hood 'ghost' through to the top surface of the paint. It's odd really, but somehow I don't think what I'm describing matches what you're describing.
 
I've got several jars of Pinnacle Souvern and none of my jars ever had and type of crystallization in them. Come to think of it none of my waxes have have any problems from hardening other than some very old ones that dried out and were easily melted back to a normal consistency. Take pictures of your wax and post them please.
 
Easy solution, use the same applicator and cloth with a different type of paste wax and see if you still having an issue. If you are you know where the problem lies...
 
Unless there is some contaminant that got into the wax, it is virtually impossible the wax itself is causing the marring. There is far more to this story.
 
maybe you are seeing left over residue/ product that isnt being fully removed
 
The wax would not be the issue typically, however if you left the wax in extreme heat or cold it could have altered the product. I don't see how it would crystallize even with temperature issues. Has the lid been left off of the jar? Do you clean your applicator each use, if you haven't used this applicator since last year when you originally obtained the wax the dried on wax would be the issue. How do you clean your microfiber towles, and what storage do they have. If your towles sit in the open air over time they can collect dust etc.. This causing marring upon wiping the surface. Have you just washed and dried the vehicle prior to application? All things I can think of that would cause issues, I have never had wax change like you have described
 
Hi everyone,

Thank you for all the replies and guidance! I have tested numerous pads and towels. I am not a newbie, I swear :)

I Clayed, polished and finished with PBL sealant. Car looked flawless and no marring on black.

The hairline swirls started after souveran. But Again, a year ago didn't have this issue with it to my knowledge. Wax stayed sealed with the rubber ring in Bay Area California so temperature doesn't go below 40 or above 85 here.

Here is pic of the wax. How does it look to you guys? Thanks again!
 
doubt it's the wax. I'd say it's either the applicator MF Cloth. I know black and my money is on the MF Rags you're using. Cheap ones will mar unprotected black quite easily. even good ones if dragged on the surface without lube would too.

My advice is to fully correct it and put a coating on it. I moved to McKee's 37 Paint coating for ease of use and after 2 coats can say it's doing it's job quite well.
 
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