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Ok guys....It seems the more i read about this wax the more confused i get. The manufactuer says

1) I can layer it (some users say that doesn't work)

2) Last up to 90 days (NO-ONE writes anything remotely close to that)

3) Jar holds up to 30 applications (3 coats later i'm questioning that)

I love the look of this wax on my car(Three coats over 2 days). CRAZY SHINE! I guess I'll

have to wait on the durability. I watched the tutorial on line and honestly i'm not as liberal

as the guys using it yet my jar is a little over half full.???? Btw i have a midsize Ford

Fuzion. I'm so happy with the results but the more i read the more depressing it is. Is

there any Souveran fans out there? One more thing...I have a metalic black paint but

some people say this wax is not good for metallic.....again the paint is unbelievably shiny!
Feed back please
 
souveran paste is fantastic and will leave ur paint work deep dark and glossy but for me it lasts only 3 weeks
 
there is no way it lasts 3 months... I get maybe 1 month out of it on a DD that's garages when not being driven.


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Depending on the environment you live in, and if the paint is prepped properly, Souverän will generally give you 8-12 weeks of protection and shine, if applied and maintained properly, before it needs to be re-applied.

If you've applied 3 coats and it appears that the jar is now only half full, you are applying the product way, way too thick. I have a jar that I've used about 6 times and you can hardly tell any is missing. The wax goes on extremely thin and it is not necessary to apply it thick. If you use a pre-wax polish prior to applying the wax, it will go on much easier and applying a thin, even coat will also be easier. Depending on the size of the vehicle, one 8oz jar is enough for 25-35 applications. Thin, thin, thin!

Souverän is a great wax for all colors, but it is known for its darkening ability on certain paints, more so red and black. It's a common misconception that Souverän is "only good" for darker colors and will not do much for lighter colors or those with a metallic flake. That's not correct. I've used it on a wide variety of different colors with stunning results each time, but when applied to black or red, it appears as if you are looking in to a pool of wet paint. :xyxthumbs:
 
This was my first "premium" wax and I'm still on my first jar (half full). I liked it so much I ordered another kit (with Klasse) after the first application thinking I would burn thru it fast. I haven't opened the other kit and will probably do it to get the all-in-one first.

On my white car, I can get about a month and on the black one, about two weeks. My thought is that black "eats" wax because the surface temp is higher when it sees the sun (Arizona). I love the look but I treat it as an expendable beauty coat and I have something tougher under it (Klasse, Wolfgang Paint Sealant 3.0) for protection.

I am at a loss to explain why you are going through it so fast though. I put it on with a red pad on a polishing pal and after the pad is primed (swiped lightly all away around the perimeter of the pad). Then 1-2 swipes does a pannel. I call it "oiling the paint" and by that I mean thin application. I have done each car 8-10 times with half a jar.
I re-apply when I feel like it needs it so I guess its layered? Does it help to layer? I don't know, it helps me...
 
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Souverän is my favorite wax for my Cobra. I am on six weeks now, but my car is only.driven once a month. Ninety days would be IDEAL conditions, like mine. When my car wad a daily driver a couple of weeks is all I got.

Like Nick said, you are putting it on WAY to heavy. You can not even tell my jar has deem used. When applying you should not see any wax build up, at all. Just a slight "wet" looking spot where the wax has been applied. Very very thin.

As for layering, I usually only do two coats. However that is on top of a sealant like DP or BFWD.

Oh and it looks great on metallics IMO, my Mineral Grey paint is both metallic with a slight pearl effect and it looks phenomenal.
 
Depending on the size of the car you should indeed see 30 applications or more, less is more. A very thin even coat is all thats needed.

For increased durability only use the Pinnacle soap on it, and try the Souveran Spray Wax to boost it as desired.
 
hoyt66 said:
Ok guys....It seems the more i read about this wax the more confused i get. The manufactuer says

1) I can layer it (some users say that doesn't work)

2) Last up to 90 days (NO-ONE writes anything remotely close to that)

3) Jar holds up to 30 applications (3 coats later i'm questioning that)

I love the look of this wax on my car(Three coats over 2 days). CRAZY SHINE! I guess I'll

have to wait on the durability. I watched the tutorial on line and honestly i'm not as liberal

as the guys using it yet my jar is a little over half full.???? Btw i have a midsize Ford

Fuzion. I'm so happy with the results but the more i read the more depressing it is. Is

there any Souveran fans out there? One more thing...I have a metalic black paint but

some people say this wax is not good for metallic.....again the paint is unbelievably shiny!
Feed back please
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Love my Souveran!
The protection might stay for two months but the look can go in less than a month
The upside is that it is so easy to apply you can put a coat on in an hour after a wash

Less is more. I either put it on by hand or with my PC and a 4" black pad. Spread until you can barely tell its there. Once the pad is loaded I use very little. Turn the PC pad over and softly wipe once with the wax bar for a section. Probably as much left in the pad as I used on the car when I am done.

I like to double layer it after a polish then single coat it to restore the look monthly. I don't think letting it "cure" buys you anything. When you are done with the first, start the second by hand. If you get dust you used to much.

The only downside for metallics that I can tell is that the shine is so deep it is hard to notice the metallic beneath it. There are other products that bring out the mettalic but do not provide the depth. Depends on what you like.

With Menzerna, this is the first product I bought ? years ago for my car only and I am still working the first jar. Amusing as I have two unopened jars that I got 2 for 1 a little later. Don't know if there is a shelf life.

Enjoy the shine. Less is more
 
I agree with all of the above. You really need to go WAY thinner on your application. I have also used Souveran on metallic black and I personally was thrilled with the look it gave the metallic. The look a certain wax gives on a specific color is generally an opinion, so I you like then that is what matters the most! 3 weeks is what I have seen in durability on a vehicle that is outside 24/7...longer on garage kept vehicles.
 
so some of you say durability is only a couple weeks to a month or two .... how do you know this? based on beading? shine? or how?
 
Hmmmm so if I throw down Menz PowerLock and top it wit Souveran how is one to know? The PL beads like crazy... gloss is insane too ... Slickness is always there .. Now I'm confused
 
Thanks guys. I do love the Souveran. So....... I need to go WAY thinner and count on

once every 4-6 weeks. I honestly thought i was using it sparingly but I'm convinced now

that I need to use less. Thanks again

P.s. Great point about black holding a higher temperature
 
after waxing with souveran wait till the next day the paint is even glossyer.. one of my favorite waxes! one tub lasts me a long time,,
 
hoyt66 said:
Thanks guys. I do love the Souveran. So....... I need to go WAY thinner and count on

once every 4-6 weeks. I honestly thought i was using it sparingly but I'm convinced now

that I need to use less. Thanks again

P.s. Great point about black holding a higher temperature
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Yes wayyyy thinner. I use the Signature II which is the same size jar and same application instructions, and after using it 4 times I can barely tell that any has been used.
 
Souveran is my premium wax of choice. :dblthumb2:

I agree with most everyone else's comments in that you have to be putting it on way, way, way too thick.

I put 5 coats (over a 3 day period) on my Corvette and you can hardly tell there was any removed from the jar. Now if you are doing a Suburban then you are certainly going to use more than I did but no way would you need 1/2 jar.

As for durability it would surprise me if it lasted more than a month in ideal conditions. If you are looking for durability then Collinite 845 is a great choice.
 
trhland said:
after waxing with souveran wait till the next day the paint is even glossyer.. one of my favorite waxes! one tub lasts me a long time,,
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Tom;
I read this post after i sent you the PM. Sorry to bother you with the PM. This answered my question.
 
i wonder if it was a sample size container or smaller size?
 
fredcandetail said:
so some of you say durability is only a couple weeks to a month or two .... how do you know this? based on beading? shine? or how?
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Good question. Both beading and gloss fall off and the drying towel (used sparingly with a leaf blower) starts to drag. Then I think "whoa, you need to wax this car". Then I point out to my wife that the thousands I've sunk into car care products are being used on HER car.:xyxthumbs:
 
I put on the first coat last night and used a foam pad to aply the wax to a red pad on a GG ROB.

Looks like I hardly touched the jar of Souveran and the car looks really great. A little goes a long way.

Thanks to Tom, trhland, for all his help!!

I have been wanting to try Souveran as a summer wax for our family sedan and it looks like it was a wise choice. I will go back to Fuzion once the fall is here.
 
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