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And there are plenty of more spots like this. cups behind door handles, tops of the quarter panels are thin.
GM quality control at it's finest. They are doing the right thing and replacing the car.
 
Wow! Did you just take delivery of this?


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Shoot, the painting robot must have been hung over!

They are replacing it...and selling that car to someone else without doing a thing, right?
 
39 years ago (1977) was my last new GM car that I bought. Back then it wasn't paint issues. It was mostly the same ol' mechanical problems over and over that drove me away from GM for good. Looks like I ducked a few large bullets along the way. 2 new Porsches and many new Hondas are all I've owned since. Very happy about that.
 
WOW! Didn't expect that.

I really like the look of the 16's. Took them a couple revisions but this is the best looking one thus far. Glad to see they are stepping up.

I'm sure you saw this: Comparison: 2015 BMW M4 vs 2016 Chevrolet Camaro SS - Motor Trend

Good reads.
Yes it is a good read. Pretty impressive for 31K less.

Wow! Did you just take delivery of this?

I took delivery of it. Guilty for not checking to see if there was paint on the hinges lol. This other stuff you can't see in bright light. Just around sunset when the sun hits it just right. Another guy same issue had to take his car into a regional GM guy. They were in the shop and the GM guy said there was nothing wrong with the paint. Took it to a little more shaded spot of the shop took out an LED light and the people from the dealership and the GM guy were shocked. Body shop manager said "we're not repainting that...we could but it would never be right"

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That plug in the door has PDR all over it

I don't think so both doors actually have it. Car only had 12 miles on it when I got it.

Shoot, the painting robot must have been hung over!


Right!! lol

They are replacing it...and selling that car to someone else without doing a thing, right?

The sales manager at the dealership replacing mine said it would end up on their used lot. Some people would be happy to buy it at about a 5K discount. Someone who is going to put custom paint on it. Someone who just wants to track the car.

39 years ago (1977) was my last new GM car that I bought. Back then it wasn't paint issues. It was mostly the same ol' mechanical problems over and over that drove me away from GM for good. Looks like I ducked a few large bullets along the way. 2 new Porsches and many new Hondas are all I've owned since. Very happy about that.


I'm here to tell you the mechanical end of this car is incredible. The 70's and 80's weren't good for many auto companies. Porche were talking about a different class of vehicle. The Camaro stood up very well to the BMW M4. And that was the M6, the A8 puts in better times.
Just for grins go test drive a 16 SS with Magnetic Ride control dual mode exhaust...M6 or A8 either way and let me know what you think...
 
Another guy same issue had to take his car into a regional GM guy. They were in the shop and the GM guy said there was nothing wrong with the paint. Took it to a little more shaded spot of the shop took out an LED light and the people from the dealership and the GM guy were shocked. Body shop manager said "we're not repainting that...we could but it would never be right"

The sales manager at the dealership replacing mine said it would end up on their used lot. Some people would be happy to buy it at about a 5K discount. Someone who is going to put custom paint on it. Someone who just wants to track the car.

I remember someone else posting about this.

So who is eating the $5K, GM or the dealer? I'm actually shocked, I figured the dealer would just turn around and sell it to someone who wouldn't notice. This is bringing back memories of a transit damage fight...

PS Did they have any idea how this happened?
 
I remember someone else posting about this.

So who is eating the $5K, GM or the dealer? I'm actually shocked, I figured the dealer would just turn around and sell it to someone who wouldn't notice. This is bringing back memories of a transit damage fight...

PS Did they have any idea how this happened?

Mine isn't the only one. GM is giving the dealer some credit. The car has been titled so that's going to be a red flag to anyone buying it. I don't have an actual dollar amount.
Has to be the program running the robots I would think. That of a rogue robot lol
 
Is the titling really an issue? I figure the dealer would just tell people the original owner didn't like the car and brought it back after a few days.

I mean it's not that bad, there's still e-coat and primer on there. I would imagine half of owners wouldn't notice.
 
I have to ask, why did you accept the car?

He answered that earlier, it got a little messed up:

I took delivery of it. Guilty for not checking to see if there was paint on the hinges lol. This other stuff you can't see in bright light. Just around sunset when the sun hits it just right. Another guy same issue had to take his car into a regional GM guy. They were in the shop and the GM guy said there was nothing wrong with the paint. Took it to a little more shaded spot of the shop took out an LED light and the people from the dealership and the GM guy were shocked. Body shop manager said "we're not repainting that...we could but it would never be right"
 
Is the titling really an issue? I figure the dealer would just tell people the original owner didn't like the car and brought it back after a few days.

I mean it's not that bad, there's still e-coat and primer on there. I would imagine half of owners wouldn't notice.

Your probably right. I know GM regional staff has been brought in on some of these cars. The sales manager told me they were getting credit. Of course his lips were moving so he could have been lying lol
Probably tell them it was a GM employee demo. I checked the outside of the paint. Found all the scratches, marring, etc. never saw the orange until it was in the right light. I'll be there when the new one comes off the truck.
I hope 50% of the people don't notice it because there is a good chance there are a lot of these cars out there. When you see a car that was produced three months after yours with the same problem it's not a good sign. I went to dealerships and checked a couple other ones that also had the problem.
My replacement was built and bayed yesterday. It's going to be interesting to see if the problem is fixed.
 
Because its been titled they HAVE to sell it as a used car which means they'll take it in the teeth pretty hard right off the bat.
 
Well I hope your next one is right! I remember your older posts about getting the 6th gen. I take care of quite a few GM cars/trucks and just about all of them have areas where it's not painted completely, engine bays, trunks and even door jamb areas. Never seen an issue on the outside like yours. Thanks for posting about this as a heads up
 
Because its been titled they HAVE to sell it as a used car which means they'll take it in the teeth pretty hard right off the bat.

Not necessarily, these cars are in pretty high demand. When we were looking for a replacement for this car there was only one car like this in the entire DFW metroplex. There still isn't much inventory of these cars in the area. There are other Mosaic Black Camaros but not equipped like this.
 
Well I hope your next one is right! I remember your older posts about getting the 6th gen. I take care of quite a few GM cars/trucks and just about all of them have areas where it's not painted completely, engine bays, trunks and even door jamb areas. Never seen an issue on the outside like yours. Thanks for posting about this as a heads up

A guy in S. Carolina took his into a friend of his who is a detailer. The guy called him a few hours later and let him know about the problems.
I know they use less paint in door jams, under the hood etc. Those areas I could live with...if they weren't quite this bad. Also
The problem in the corners or the trunk goes up on the quarter panels.
 
GM is half way through a paintshop overhaul around the country. we are doing the mechanical work on 6 of them. Kansas, Flint Michigan, Indy, Bowling Green for the vettes, Arlington, another in Michigan and i believe also one in Mexico.
My cousin has a few year old ats that i clean up for him and that paint is terrible. It has 30k on it and the front end and hood look like it wash sprayed with a bb machine gun.

Hopefully these new facilities will improve the paint quality. They are state of the art but still a few years from being up and running.
 
Dave... uhhhhhhh.....

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!!!

I mean I've seen some shady practices through the years, but duuuuuaaammm.


(Posted this in another thread last week.)

Look up this book: Making it Right: Why Your Car Payments are Lasting Longer Than Your Factory Paint Job.

There is a preview on Google Books, and even though it's a preview, it has some VERY interesting information. Lots of talk about film thickness, paint suppliers etc. Also there are some KILLER reference links at the end. (The above BASF release was one of them.)

Interesting pages like one from DuPont with status from 2000~2003 on the Ford Taurus, Mercury Sable, produced at the Atlanta plant. Out of 981 sampled vehicles, the number that met prime film thickness was 34 or 3.5% and the number that DID NOT meet prime film thickness specifications was 947 or 96.5%. HOLY CRAP!

Same status from other plants as well. At the Dearborn plant, with DuPont paint, from 2000~2001 out of 374 Mustangs, 27% met spec, and 73% failed to meet spec. That was a GOOD one.

Then there was the one for the Ford Escape, Mazda Tribute from 2001~2003 from BASF out of the Kansas City plant, with 508 vehicles where ONLY 1 yes ONE vehicle, a measly .20% met film spec where 99.8% (507 of 508) FAILED!

Talk about work trucks shall we? In Kentucky, where Ford produced the Super Duty, in years 2000, 2002~2004, again with DuPont paint... they sampled 636 trucks and 11 or 1.7% met spec, where 625 or 98.3% failed!

Then in 2003 at the Norfolk plant it wasn't any better, where with DuPont, out of 82 sampled vehicles a grand total of ZERO trucks passed to meet minimum film build specification!

Minivans are your favorite you say? What about the 1998~2004 Ford Windstar, Freestar, and Mercury Monterey? Out of 2095 samples (again with DuPont paint) they managed to get 16 or .80% right, and 2079 or 99.2% WRONG!

It's staggering to think of JUST HOW BAD vehicle manufacturers had gotten by moving to robots to do everything and letting it pass, one by one, till it seems as if walking on water would be easier than only ONE PERCENT of their vehicles being painted correctly!

The book seems to have data through at least 2009, and goes on to talk about reports of various paint failures from literally all makes. From "Paint - No Strength" to "Body Rust", and of course paint peeling, bubbling flaking, chipping, cracking, delaminating, poor adhesion, clear flaking, failing, peeling, you name it. All happening from within WEEKS, to within 1 year, to "Paint Peeled".


All the data is of course not available on Google Books (being as you only get a preview) but its enough to make me want the book. Unfortunately, it's $180 USED, and $239 to $380 new! :rolleyes: Cool yes... but me thinks I'll pass.



The thing is... all this stuff above was before they switched to the ultra-thin waterborne bc/cc wet on wet, or even worse... BLENDED bc/cc system. (Basically a glorified single stage paint.) Now we're so far down the road where they save all of 73¢ worth of paint every week by spraying it thinner each and EVERY week till you can see through it and call it "right".

I mean, sure... we can start to overlook that non of the jambs are painted, at least as long as they're e-coated, and TAPED OFF correctly. But THAT... weird overspray of a paint job on a $55,000 supercar killer American hot rod. Jesus.... :rolleyes:

Just got Papa Fred's Nissan back from the shop getting $7300 worth of work done on it from the wreck he was in the day he went to the hospital.

Two things stood out to me along the lines of non-painted jambs.

One; the left fender jamb is NOW painted. (The right one was taped off just inside the bottom of the hood and the entire jamb e-coated in a primer gray color.) :rolleyes:

Two: The whole right side rocker pinch weld is ALSO painted. (The car is silver. It was somehow taped off and satin black from the factory.)

Of course there is a whole list of *other* stuff I found wrong with it, and it's back at the shop now getting them all fixed. Everything from repainting the new front bumper, front fender, and left rear quarter panel, to removing rough edges and overspray, replacing a wheel cover they overlooked.... all the way to PUTTING IN A FENDER CRUSH PIECE at the hinge post that runs the entire height of the fender that they magically managed to leave out!!!!

But the ONE thing that it doesn't suffer from is "too little paint". ;)
 
... As if stock Camaros didn't look cheap enough as they are. Smh.
Camaro, Volt, Cobalt, Sonic, Spark, Malibu, the Impala looking nothing like it once did.. Sometimes I think Chevrolet fails on purpose.
The Dodge Challenger walks all over the Camaro.
 
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