Still crazy about D114

[runrun411]

I know AG is coming out with a RW product that doesn't leave any protection behind but whatever else comes along has some big shoes to fill. D114 is some amazing stuff. Why oh why did Meguires have to discontinue it. SMH.

 

[osiapstndp]

Your post title reminds me of Paul Simon's "Still Crazy After All These Years."

Also, D114 is the real deal. I use it for practically everything. It's great as an aid at removing compound and polish residue.

 

[LSNAutoDetailingLSNAutoDetailing is verified member.]

Nick will not let us down, as he has sent samples out to discerning testers. According to some of the early polling reports coming in from the testers, the results look good! I look forward to the new product once it's finalized.

 

[FUNX650]

Bob

 

[Bunky]

What made D114 special was that it did not behave like a typical rinseless that behaved like a detailer. When you spread it coated the surface (like it had a wetting agent in it) and did not bead and want to run off.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

What made D114 special was that it did not behave like a typical rinseless that behaved like a detailer. When you spread it coated the surface (like it had a wetting agent in it) and did not bead and want to run off.

That's probably the most salient point I've heard about the performance of D114. Do you find it does that as a pre-spray, also?

I personally never made that observation with D114 but I've only used it a few times.

 

[pheerix]

I'm beta testing the AG rinseless. I think it will fill the D114 void very nicely.


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[Fast Eddie]

I'm beta testing the AG rinseless. I think it will fill the D114 void very nicely.


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Hopefully that's the case, because I only have 5 gallons of D114 left and I use it everyday.

 

[trashmanssd]

What made D114 special was that it did not behave like a typical rinseless that behaved like a detailer. When you spread it coated the surface (like it had a wetting agent in it) and did not bead and want to run off.

That and I found it flashed dry well on damp or cool days, when some other products dont seem to want to dry as easily. Other side of that i found it a little hard to use on hot dry days especially out in the sun.

 

[Eldorado2k]

That's probably the most salient point I've heard about the performance of D114. Do you find it does that as a pre-spray, also?

I personally never made that observation with D114 but I've only used it a few times.

He makes a good point and it's very true. This is typical of D114, even when sprayed this heavily it doesn't just bead up and run off.

D114:

Wolfgang Uber on the other hand, especially if sprayed onto a wet surface pretty much falls right off the paint compared to D114 [and also D155 Last Touch and D115]

Wolfgang Uber:

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[runrun411]

I think that's because it's breaking down LSP's protective barriers. ONR is a great RW/WW also but it leave behind some polymers.

 

[Eldorado2k]

I think that's because it's breaking down LSP's protective barriers. ONR is a great RW/WW also but it leave behind some polymers.

I'd argue that those so called polymers do a greater job of breaking down lsp's. IMO whenever a product does it's work to leave it's own distinctive behavior on the surface or on top of another lsp, it doesn't just lay on top without disturbing, but it removes a bit of the lsp while it decides to squat on top of it... Remember what the directions on the bottle of Rejex said? Solvents, polymers, etc... You either want them, or in the case of D114, you don't.


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[Eldorado2k]

I just did a 50/50 test to show the difference in behavior between D114 and Wolfgang Uber.

Wolfgang Uber
Megs D114

Notice how D114 lays flat on the paint, almost as if it never learned how to bead.

Wolfgang Uber. Beads.

Just prior to wiping it down, I sprayed even more Uber across the hood. Still beads.

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[FUNX650]

I think that's because it's breaking
down LSP's protective barriers.

ONR is a great RW/WW also but
it leave behind some polymers.

•If used at the recommended RW/WW
dilution ratios...ONR is not supposed
to break down or remove existing LSPs.

•If true, then:
-I would think that if D114 were
to be likewise diluted to be at its
recommended RW/WW ratios,
that the same results would also
occur; ie: no breaking-down of LSPs.


•I keep in mind that:
-RWs/WWs contain their very own
particular type(s) of surfactant(s);
and, that those surfactants...and
their micelles... can act as "wetting
agents"---which, in turn, makes the
RW/WW cleaning solution more able
to lift the dirt-y contaminates up and
away from the vehicles' surfaces that
have been LSP-ed.


JMO...YMMV.


Bob

 

[mwoolfso]

I'd argue that those so called polymers do a greater job of breaking down lsp's. IMO whenever a product does it's work to leave it's own distinctive behavior on the surface or on top of another lsp, it doesn't just lay on top without disturbing, but it removes a bit of the lsp while it decides to squat on top of it... Remember what the directions on the bottle of Rejex said? Solvents, polymers, etc... You either want them, or in the case of D114, you don't.


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On the contrary.... the product itself isn't the cause of breaking down the LSP, whether surfectants, polymers, carriers, etc...... IT IS THE MECHANICAL WIPE activity with the towel that will break down the LSP.

 

[Eldorado2k]

On the contrary.... the product itself isn't the cause of breaking down the LSP, whether surfectants, polymers, carriers, etc...... IT IS THE MECHANICAL WIPE activity with the towel that will break down the LSP.

I'm no chemist, but if the products didn't play a significant role in breaking down the lsp, then why would they be making "low solvent" detail sprays such as this?

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[runrun411]

•If used at the recommended RW/WW
dilution ratios...ONR is not supposed
to break down or remove existing LSPs.

•If true, then:
-I would think that if D114 were
to be likewise diluted to be at its
recommended RW/WW ratios,
that the same results would also
occur; ie: no breaking-down of LSPs.


•I keep in mind that:
-RWs/WWs contain their very own
particular type(s) of surfactant(s);
and, that those surfactants...and
their micelles... can act as "wetting
agents"---which, in turn, makes the
RW/WW cleaning solution more able
to lift the dirt-y contaminates up and
away from the vehicles' surfaces that
have been LSP-ed.


JMO...YMMV.


Bob

I agree with you there. D114 is supposed to neither add or degrade an LSP. However it has been mentioned that it can be used as an IPA wipe for surface prep if mixed a little strong.

 

[The Guz]

I think that's because it's breaking down LSP's protective barriers. ONR is a great RW/WW also but it leave behind some polymers.

I'd argue that those so called polymers do a greater job of breaking down lsp's. IMO whenever a product does it's work to leave it's own distinctive behavior on the surface or on top of another lsp, it doesn't just lay on top without disturbing, but it removes a bit of the lsp while it decides to squat on top of it... Remember what the directions on the bottle of Rejex said? Solvents, polymers, etc... You either want them, or in the case of D114, you don't.


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The polymers in ONR are not enough to not interfere with one's LSP. It's a tiny sacrificial layer. It's been mentioned by optimum that the polymers within ONR are there to

1. encapsulate the dirt particle and take it up to the surface where it can be safely removed
2. To act as a buffer zone to help with wash induced marring.

Optimum has also stated that using ONR on a regular basis on a vehicle that has opti-seal can keep opti-seal lasting up to 9 months. So it is a little contradictory to the polymers not being substantial. But perhaps the polymers re-act with the same polymers with opti-seal. Who know other than Dr. G. Regardless the polymers left behind don't appear to be that durable from me using it versus D114 with some side by side testing.


I still have plenty of D114 to last me for some time. It will be hard to find a replacement. Hopefully Nick's new rinseless will be just as good or better. The Gloss Shop is also working on their own D114 type rinseless.

 

[runrun411]

Garry Dean is coming out with an IPA wipe called Stripper Juice. He's also coming out with a RW that doesn't add or remove protection.

 

[Eldorado2k]

I'm of the impression that Run Run meant that D114's lack of beading means that it's more likely to break down lsp's than the product that beads... If I misunderstood that, then disregard my recent post

But if that is what he meant, then I stick to the story in regards to D114 being less likely to degrade lsp.

We're talking about degrade, not alter.


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