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TTQ B4U said:
Were any rounds discharged? Nope. Point made that our rights are important and the display of b our 2A gets attention doesn't it?

Nothing done extended the quarantine. That's up to the leaders.

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I’m pretty sure that what was meant by extending the quarantine is that now all these people went out and possibly spread or caught it which in turn will extend the quarantine because they will not have contributed to blunting the virus.

Rights are important of course. So is common sense.


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Here comes the rollout for gradually reopening the country again

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- The U.S. has more cases than any other country, and in fact has more cases than #2, #3, #4, & #5 combined.

- The U.S. ranks around #44 in terms of the number of people tested. As bad as that is, even worse is the fact that it still takes 5+ days to get results. Labs are overwhelmed and test kits and supplies are running out. The U.S. just had to buy 600K kits from S. Korea and that was a drop in the bucket compared to what we need.

- The number of people who are infected but asymptomatic is unknown, however the limited testing done so far indicates that it is a large population. For example, approx. 2/3 of the 600+ infected sailors on the USS Roosevelt were asymptomatic.

- The U.S. has done very little contact tracing (compared to others) and it is estimated that more than 300K more people need to be deployed in this capacity.

- We are not effectively isolating the infected in order to contain the virus. So-called "isolating" in a room of the family home or the basement is a joke. So now we are seeing a preponderance of new cases affecting family members/cohabitants.

- No state/location has hit peak outbreak for certain and we definitely have not seen 14 consecutive days of the numbers dropping off (one of the supposed conditions for lifting lockdowns).

- We have zero proof that COVID-19 patients acquire immunity post-infection. So "herd immunity" is a pipe dream at this point. Of the 7 coronaviruses which have infected humans to date, the track record for acquired immunity is not good. We don't acquire immunity to the coronaviruses (4 of them) which cause the common cold, for example.


"Re-opening" the country in lieu of the above is the perfect recipe for a certain second wave.


And history shows us that it was the second wave of the 1918/1919 Spanish flu pandemic that took the most life.
 
57Rambler said:
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"Re-opening" the country in lieu of the above is the perfect recipe for a certain second wave.
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The virus isnt going anywhere. Even vaccines aren't fully effective. People are still going to get it, people are still going to die from it.

We as a society are going to have to face that reality and as with any disease, prep ourselves for caring for the sick and build our infrastructure to incorporate said care in our lives. We've done it before and will do the same here.

That or the alternative is to cower in fear in our homes forever. No thanks, its time to live life and deal with all that it brings both good and bad so that the economic results of it are not crushing tens of millions including those already impacted. We don't have to choose either or, we can do both.

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57Rambler said:
-The U.S. has more cases than any other
country, and in fact has more cases than
#2, #3, #4, & #5 combined.

-The U.S. ranks around #44 in terms of
the number of people tested. As bad as
that is, even worse is the fact that it still
takes 5+ days to get results.

Labs are overwhelmed and test kits and
supplies are running out. The U.S. just
had to buy 600K kits from S. Korea and
that was a drop in the bucket compared
to what we need.

-The number of people who are infected
but asymptomatic is unknown, however
the limited testing done so far indicates
that it is a large population. For example,
approx. 2/3 of the 600+ infected sailors
on the USS Roosevelt were asymptomatic.

-The U.S. has done very little contact tracing
(compared to others) and it is estimated that
more than 300K more people need to
be deployed in this capacity.

-We are not effectively isolating the infected
in order to contain the virus. So-called "isolating"
in a room of the family home or the basement
is a joke. So now we are seeing a preponderance
of new cases affecting family members/cohabitants.

-No state/location has hit peak outbreak for
certain and we definitely have not seen 14
consecutive days of the numbers dropping off
(one of the supposed conditions for lifting lockdowns).


We have zero proof that COVID-19 patients
acquire immunity post-infection.

So "herd immunity" is a pipe dream at this point.
Of the 7 coronaviruses which have infected humans
to date, the track record for acquired immunity is
not good. We don't acquire immunity to the
coronaviruses (4 of them) which cause the common
cold, for example.


"Re-opening" the country in lieu of the above
is the perfect recipe for a certain second wave.


And history shows us that it was the second
wave of the 1918/1919 Spanish flu pandemic
that took the most life.
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57Rambler said:
- The U.S. has more cases than any other country, and in fact has more cases than #2, #3, #4, & #5 combined.

- The U.S. ranks around #44 in terms of the number of people tested. As bad as that is, even worse is the fact that it still takes 5+ days to get results. Labs are overwhelmed and test kits and supplies are running out. The U.S. just had to buy 600K kits from S. Korea and that was a drop in the bucket compared to what we need.
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- The combined population of Italy, Spain, France, UK & Germany is 320 million with 55k deaths

US population is 328 million with 20k deaths.

- The test results take about 5 minuets to come back.

Please turn off CNN, it's not good for you.
 
sixsix said:
-The combined population of Italy, Spain, France,
UK & Germany is 320 million with 55k deaths

US population is 328 million with 20k deaths.

-The test results take about 5 minuets to come back.

Please turn off CNN, it's not good for you.
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Bob
 
sixsix said:
- The combined population of Italy, Spain, France, UK & Germany is 320 million with 55k deaths

US population is 328 million with 20k deaths.

- The test results take about 5 minuets to come back.

Please turn off CNN, it's not good for you.
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Not sure where you found your info but the USA as of today has over 42,000 deaths not 20,000. The quick test results(5 min) are worthless if states dont have the materials to process them. And thats not from CNN, lol.
 
57Rambler said:
- The U.S. has more cases than any other country, and in fact has more cases than #2, #3, #4, & #5 combined.

- The U.S. ranks around #44 in terms of the number of people tested. As bad as that is, even worse is the fact that it still takes 5+ days to get results. Labs are overwhelmed and test kits and supplies are running out. The U.S. just had to buy 600K kits from S. Korea and that was a drop in the bucket compared to what we need.

- The number of people who are infected but asymptomatic is unknown, however the limited testing done so far indicates that it is a large population. For example, approx. 2/3 of the 600+ infected sailors on the USS Roosevelt were asymptomatic.

- The U.S. has done very little contact tracing (compared to others) and it is estimated that more than 300K more people need to be deployed in this capacity.

- We are not effectively isolating the infected in order to contain the virus. So-called "isolating" in a room of the family home or the basement is a joke. So now we are seeing a preponderance of new cases affecting family members/cohabitants.

- No state/location has hit peak outbreak for certain and we definitely have not seen 14 consecutive days of the numbers dropping off (one of the supposed conditions for lifting lockdowns).

- We have zero proof that COVID-19 patients acquire immunity post-infection. So "herd immunity" is a pipe dream at this point. Of the 7 coronaviruses which have infected humans to date, the track record for acquired immunity is not good. We don't acquire immunity to the coronaviruses (4 of them) which cause the common cold, for example.


"Re-opening" the country in lieu of the above is the perfect recipe for a certain second wave.


And history shows us that it was the second wave of the 1918/1919 Spanish flu pandemic that took the most life.
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Well said!!
 
PEAD19 said:
Not sure where you found your info but the USA as of today has over 42,000 deaths not 20,000. The quick test results(5 min) are worthless if states dont have the materials to process them. And thats not from CNN, lol.
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You right, I forgot to update since the last time I used it... 88k deaths from the other 5 combined and 42k in the US
 
PEAD19 said:
Not sure where you found your info but the USA as of today has over 42,000 deaths not 20,000. The quick test results(5 min) are worthless if states dont have the materials to process them. And thats not from CNN, lol.
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still not armadeddon. in Ohio for example if you're under age 65, your odds of dying from it even with only the diagnosed cases being used (inflates the numbers big time) is less .34% That's 1/3 of 1%. once the testing is out there it will and already is in areas it's been done, confirm that we as a society have a lot more people walking around with little to no symptoms and that there are a ton more cases of mild impact vs the deadly ones.

perhaps now people everywhere will understand the importance of ones own health and realize that the impact of chronic diseases are more than just a pill or Rx that is nothing more than a coverup/bandage on a the real underlying problems.
 
TTQ B4U said:
still not armadeddon. in Ohio for example if you're under age 65, your odds of dying from it even with only the diagnosed cases being used (inflates the numbers big time) is less .34% That's 1/3 of 1%. once the testing is out there it will and already is in areas it's been done, confirm that we as a society have a lot more people walking around with little to no symptoms and that there are a ton more cases of mild impact vs the deadly ones.

perhaps now people everywhere will understand the importance of ones own health and realize that the impact of chronic diseases are more than just a pill or Rx that is nothing more than a coverup/bandage on a the real underlying problems.
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This is so perfect. Statistics don’t mean a ton, basically they can be presented or skewed towards any agenda the presenter buys into.

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if America had more deaths or worse outcomes overall. You can blame the healthcare system, politicians, or China. It doesn’t matter.

The real blame falls on Americans. Americans are fatter, lazier, & eat more garbage compared to just about anywhere. We have more diabetes, obesity, respiratory disease, coronary artery disease, and similar compared to almost anywhere.

I think the reality is - the economy is screwed. This will impact the majority individuals significantly more than any corona virus. People think they will “open” the economy & go back to their jobs.

But will they even have jobs to go back to? The media has done such a fine job 24/7 of whipping up fear and paranoia, will people even leave their homes to spend money once stuff opens up? That’s assuming they even have money to spend. I guess it’s good if you are Amazon, but all other businesses I don’t know. The government can’t bail out everyone.
 
You know what’s really sad.... Is i read that Cinco De Mayo is Going to fall on Taco Tues and Millions won’t be able to enjoy because of a virus with the same name as aMexican Beer....


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Why can't you enjoy a taco? The taco truck on my route has been open this whole time, intact, a new one just pulled up about 100 ft infront of them yesterday. I'm sure you can get yourself a taco, no worries

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DMiglio said:
Here’s a good one for ya, my sister received a stimulus check.. mind you she hasn’t worked for close to 6 years, well she’s a stay at home mom(which according to Oprah is the “hardest job in the world”). Her husband I’m sure makes over the threshold, but they file jointly so the threshold was not met in that case. When my mom told me she got one I’m glad it was through text because otherwise she would’ve heard me hit the floor..
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I’m sorry, did I miss something here? Why are you offended by this?


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On a side note....... I have noticed in the past that when oil prices rise, you usually see the price of gas rise at the pump within 48 hours.

Now that oil is worth negative $10 a barrel (as claimed), why is gas still over $2 a gallon here in NY four days later?

(Just to be clear, I know the answer to my question making it rhetorical, but just ranting...... :) )
 
PaulMys said:
On a side note....... I have noticed in the past that when oil prices rise, you usually see the price of gas rise at the pump within 48 hours.

Now that oil is worth negative $10 a barrel (as claimed), why is gas still over $2 a gallon here in NY four days later?

(Just to be clear, I know the answer to my question making it rhetorical, but just ranting...... :) )
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I really don’t understand the business side of oil, so I have been seriously confused as to why, in Michigan, I am still paying even $1.59 when oil is cheaper than tap water.


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PaulMys said:
On a side note....... I have noticed in the past that when oil prices rise, you usually see the price of gas rise at the pump within 48 hours.

Now that oil is worth negative $10 a barrel (as claimed), why is gas still over $2 a gallon here in NY four days later?

(Just to be clear, I know the answer to my question making it rhetorical, but just ranting...... :) )
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Paul, please tell me/us the answer, I'd like to know because here in Chicagoland it's been a sloooooow drio to $1.69 whereas back home in the D its .99 cents a gallon, ###

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