System One X3 Polish

Where would the wool pad fall on the LC foam pad scale? yellow, orange, green, white?
 
nrengle said:
Where would the wool pad fall on the LC foam pad scale? yellow, orange, green, white?
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In general (please notice this is very wide generalization and I am sure one can find many exceptions to it, starting with fact there are wool polishing pads) wool pads take off where yellow pad ends.
 
I find this post interesting as it appears to be a one product does all for polishing, and yet when reading the description and posts it really appears to be a standard low to middle abrasive polish that is allowing the pad choice (foam, wool) to dictate just how much repair/correction it can do. In truth you could do this with Menzerna and other polishes too .... what am I missing ???
 
I also saw the product in action at the Mobile Tech Expo and am very surprised with the results I saw. I personally haven't used the product but after watching Tom use it, helped my understanding of the product. Even after watching all of the vids and read about it online but I was still sceptical... but actually seeing it in person was helpful.

I could be a little off here, but I believe this polish is actually more of a lubricant... than a traditional swirl remover, polish, compound, etc. If this is the case, the X3 lubricates the pad and the pad, in turn, does the correcting. So you can use basically any pad you want to remove whatever you want. 100% pad dependent- meaning used by hand with a MF towel, it will not remove swirling/scratches. You need to use the wool pads to get the most amount of correction, I believe.

A similar product- Pooroby's Pro Polish. Since it is virtually non-abrasive it can be used as a paint cleaner with a polishing pad or a final polish with a finishing pad. However, when used with a wool pad and a rotary, it will remove 1500 grit sanding marks. Who would have thought a paint cleaner could remove sanding marks? I believe the Pro Polish lubricates (lack of a better word) the pad and the pad then removes all of the sanding marks. That's my opinion on the subject :).
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
I find this post interesting as it appears to be a one product does all for polishing, and yet when reading the description and posts it really appears to be a standard low to middle abrasive polish that is allowing the pad choice (foam, wool) to dictate just how much repair/correction it can do. In truth you could do this with Menzerna and other polishes too .... what am I missing ???
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I don't know if Menzerna has the level of correction with a single product. Tom demo'd this at the Expo taking off 1,000 grit sanding marks. Normally, OEM finishes are corrected with 2,000 grit and he was just showing the effectiveness of the product.

I have the full Menzerna line from Power Gloss to 106ff and they typically use a 2 or 3 step process with different products.

In the System One, it's a very versatile product that is pad dependent on the correction level. I'm sure other products can do close to the same work, but this product is a proven system.

Toto
 
One *can* use wool with FPII, 106ff, 85rd etc. to correct deeper defects and then step down the pad to finish out. Been there and done that.
 
budman3 said:
I also saw the product in action at the Mobile Tech Expo and am very surprised with the results I saw. I personally haven't used the product but after watching Tom use it, helped my understanding of the product. Even after watching all of the vids and read about it online but I was still sceptical... but actually seeing it in person was helpful.

I could be a little off here, but I believe this polish is actually more of a lubricant... than a traditional swirl remover, polish, compound, etc. If this is the case, the X3 lubricates the pad and the pad, in turn, does the correcting. So you can use basically any pad you want to remove whatever you want. 100% pad dependent- meaning used by hand with a MF towel, it will not remove swirling/scratches. You need to use the wool pads to get the most amount of correction, I believe.

A similar product- Pooroby's Pro Polish. Since it is virtually non-abrasive it can be used as a paint cleaner with a polishing pad or a final polish with a finishing pad. However, when used with a wool pad and a rotary, it will remove 1500 grit sanding marks. Who would have thought a paint cleaner could remove sanding marks? I believe the Pro Polish lubricates (lack of a better word) the pad and the pad then removes all of the sanding marks. That's my opinion on the subject :).
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In one of the videos it is used by hand to remove defects. I think it was one of the motorcycle videos.

It actually works great by hand with a microfiber applicator. Don't take my word for it though... try it.
 
can you use menzerna on a 125 deg. car...in direct sunlight? Also this product really doesnt dust at all
 
budman3 said:
I could be a little off here, but I believe this polish is actually more of a lubricant... than a traditional swirl remover, polish, compound, etc. If this is the case, the X3 lubricates the pad and the pad, in turn, does the correcting. So you can use basically any pad you want to remove whatever you want. 100% pad dependent- meaning used by hand with a MF towel, it will not remove swirling/scratches.
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Not correct. What a coincidence but last weekend I did use it by hand with MF to remove swirls in my car's inset door handle area. Now I would love to believe I am so strong all I need is some MF and lubrication and watch me going. However, my arms are not twigs but they sure are far from Popeye's. So, yes, choice of pad contributes to cut (it always does no matter which polish you use, otherwise we would need just one super softest pad) but this is a polish.
 
danponjican said:
In one of the videos it is used by hand to remove defects. I think it was one of the motorcycle videos.

It actually works great by hand with a microfiber applicator. Don't take my word for it though... try it.
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I just watched a few more of the videos, interesting indeed. I'm still very confused with this product though :o. I'm kicking myself for not spending more time and asking questions at the Expo.

Most of the time it is used with a wool pad and then followed up by a polishing pad, all by a rotary. I'll retract my statement about it being 100% pad dependent but, to me, it seems like it is still very pad dependent. How large are the abrasives in the polish? Since they are not diminishing abrasives, one would have to believe that the abrasives are very mild so they won't cause micromarring. Anyways, would it be safe to say that the X3 lubricates the pad (so there is no dry buffing, preventing holograms) and the aggressiveness of the pad is what is removing most of the defects?

I hope I'm not coming off as a non-believer, that is not true. I have seen the product work in person and it works well, no tricks or gimmicks. I'm just trying to figure out how and why it works the way it does.
 
budman3 said:
I just watched a few more of the videos, interesting indeed. I'm still very confused with this product though :o. I'm kicking myself for not spending more time and asking questions at the Expo.

Most of the time it is used with a wool pad and then followed up by a polishing pad, all by a rotary. I'll retract my statement about it being 100% pad dependent but, to me, it seems like it is still very pad dependent. How large are the abrasives in the polish? Since they are not diminishing abrasives, one would have to believe that the abrasives are very mild so they won't cause micromarring. Anyways, would it be safe to say that the X3 lubricates the pad (so there is no dry buffing, preventing holograms) and the aggressiveness of the pad is what is removing most of the defects?

I hope I'm not coming off as a non-believer, that is not true. I have seen the product work in person and it works well, no tricks or gimmicks. I'm just trying to figure out how and why it works the way it does.
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Budman: I'm going from memory here (and you know old people's memory sometimes gets tricky), but at one of Tom's classes, he explained the difference between Diminishing Abrasives and X3 abrasives. The X3 has uniform particles similar to what the eyeglass industry uses for grinding lenses. The product "is" pad dependent. Obviously, use by hand won't be as powerful as with a rotary, but you could still get the job done. This is true of other products we use as well: I've used Meguiar's #83 by hand in door handle recess with results, but you have to rub like heck to remove fingernail scratches. I've used System One Polish by hand in the same application (door handle recess) and you still have to rub like heck to remove those scratches.

Diminishing abrasives start out as a large particle and reduce in size as they abrade the surface of the paint. So, every time you re-apply product you are putting larger abrasives to areas you just worked and starting again. With X3's uniform particles, when you re-apply to continue working a scratch, they are the same size and you aren't fighting the paint (especially true on a soft clear coat for instance).

Hope that helps from a simple user like me. Maybe I could write someone at System One for a detailed explanation.

Toto
 
Toto- Thank you very much. I was having a hard time understanding the diminishing abrasive vs. system one abrasive and your explaination helped a lot. I didn't understand what they meant about diminishing abrasives being harmful, but I guess meant by using one product only-- which is the main concept with X3.

However, a good detailer would know when to change polishes and step down to a finer polish and pad. This will take the micromarring left by the first polish and remove them completely, so you wouldn't be going much deeper. But, of course, you would possibly need to use 2, 3, or 4 different products to get to that point whereas with System One ... you need One. Thanks for the help :cheers:.
 
And I think that is the key with SYSTEM ONE polish. It's easy to use. I don't see them really claim that the finish is better, the claims are more towards the theme that this is an EASY system that even people that have never used rotary polishers can get great results in almost any condition.
 
I just read an article, "Advanced Polishing Systems: One-Liquid Polishing" by Ed Terwilliger which talked about using only one liquid polish in all stages of compounding and polishing. He mentions that he knows of 7 "One-Liquid" polishes -- I know of 2, the Meguair's Solo System and System One. Does anyone else know of the other 5 (or more?).

This is a very interesting concept but then again I go back to the PB Pro Polish, used with a wool pad it'll cut through sanding marks and used with a polishing or finishing pad it will do a final polish and clean the paint. I'm sure there are other products that do the same but this is my only experience in the single polish field, since it is still relatively new.

Is this the future of compounds? One product for heavy compounding, polishing and final polish? Time is money and Toto and others have noted the time savings using System One. I wonder what else we'll see in the detailing world in the future ...
 
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budman3 said:
He mentions that he knows of 7 "One-Liquid" polishes -- I know of 2, the Meguair's Solo System and System One. Does anyone else know of the other 5 (or more?).
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Farecla Total Dry Use Compound I another one I believe. It uses diminishing abrasives however. I have not used it myself.
 
budman3 said:
I just read an article, "Advanced Polishing Systems: One-Liquid Polishing" by Ed Terwilliger which talked about using only one liquid polish in all stages of compounding and polishing. He mentions that he knows of 7 "One-Liquid" polishes -- I know of 2, the Meguair's Solo System and System One. Does anyone else know of the other 5 (or more?).
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3M Perfect-It 3000 is another.
 
Optimum Polish would be another Pad Dependent/One product setup. It's the new movement for the Detailing industry if you ask me.
 
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