T&C (also known as terms and conditions)

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I've been in the detailing vehicles now for a few years. I don't consider myself a beginner, but I don't consider myself an expert (I always leave room for improvement). This summer I was detailing a either late 90s or early 2000 hyundai sonata (4 door sedan) both the exterior and interior. I always start with the exterior. I always use a pressure washer to pre-rinse the vehicle, my foam cannon when putting soap on the vehicle, and a rinse again at the end. My pressure washer is a Simpson (3000 psi purchased at Costco about 10 years ago). Long story short, the pressure washer took some paint off on the hood of the car and on the trunk part of the car. It's not like I had the pressure washer gun white tip inches away from these areas. I'm always 12 to 24 inches between the tip of the pressure washer gun and the vehicle. I normally charge $450 for a complete detail, but because of what happened, I only charged my family friend $100, which is a steal.



Needless to say, I'm just looking for some T&C's that I can copy, and have the customers sign a contract saying I'm not responsible when things like above happen.


Any input would be greatly appreciated.
 
Not the answer you were probably looking for, but for something like this I would definitely consult a lawyer ... just to make sure all the i's are dotted and t's crossed.
 
sothpaw73 said:
Needless to say, I'm just looking for
some T&C's that I can copy, and have
the customers sign a contract saying
I'm not responsible when things like
above happen.
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^^^You have got to be kidding!


sothpaw73 said:
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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•IMO:
-You were responsible not only for the damages
caused by the usage of that power washer, but
for any other things that happen while any vehicle
is in your care. (Paint assessment—prior to
any detailing begins—is your friend.)

-You are not entitled to be “held harmless”.

-If you’re a Business owner/Businessman, you
should be duly insured for such occurrences.


•As such:
-I would never sign any such indemnity contract
where you would be able to worm your way out
of accepting full responsibility for damaging any
of my vehicles, in any manner, whatsoever.


Bob
 
Bob has a point, whenever I get to detail a car I always look for paint that is damaged.

I would be upset if someone messed up our car and didn’t take responsibility for it, I see Bobs point.

Maybe if you told me look sir, the paint can chip here so I’m telling you beforehand.
 
I agree with Bob, as he makes some great points. Sounds like I need to be looking at a Coating Thickness Gauge machine. What do you guys recommend for the paint assessment tool? Bob, how much do you pay for this type of insurance? I only detail vehicles as a side hustle.

Thanks again for all your inputs, greatly appreciated :)
 
Lots of vehicles had paint issues back in those years. I once removed the paint from the doorhandle of my car at a coin op. That being sia, if it's damaged while you are working on it, you are responsible. I agree that you need to carry insurance.
 
The most popular insurance for these types of businesses is called Garage Keeper’s Liability. Even if you own a mobile detailing business, this is the type of policy you want to have. You want to be covered while you are working on a vehicle and while the vehicle is in your possession. When getting a quote for a policy premium you also want to be sure you’re getting coverage for moving, picking up and delivering the vehicles you will be working on. Even if you’re opening a mobile detailing business, you still need coverage for moving the vehicle ... even if it’s from the garage to the driveway. You never know what could happen!

You also want to have your equipment insured against theft. Pressure washers, carpet extractors, vapor steamers, buffers, polishers, compressors and generators don’t come cheap, so it’s absolutely imperative to insure them too. Again, the insurance coverage for this type of equipment isn’t expensive, so have it included with your policy premium. Usually you’ll get a quote for a minimum of $100,000 of liability coverage, but you might consider a quote on $300,000, $500,000 and even a million dollar umbrella policy. Believe it or not, the premium cost doesn’t vary that much. Most garage keeper’s liability packages cover the vehicle you are working on against damage and theft, as well as coverage for your equipment and coverage for pick-up and delivery of any vehicle.
 
Yah, Bob has a point. But so does the flip side.

A 20 year old vehicle with paint problems. I wouldn't take responsibility for that unless I did something irresponsible. The paint at that point is probably UV compromised or has been repainted (which brings in a host of possible problems).

PDR guys, vinyl wrap guys and others don't take responsibility for existing paint problems. Why should detailers?

Like I said, if you messed up, own it. But if you were reasonably responsible and got burned by poor quality paint, why should you pay for it?
 
FUNX650 said:
^^^You have got to be kidding!




•IMO:
-You were responsible not only for the damages
caused by the usage of that power washer, but
for any other things that happen while any vehicle
is in your care. (Paint assessment—prior to
any detailing begins—is your friend.)

-You are not entitled to be “held harmless”.

-If you’re a Business owner/Businessman, you
should be duly insured for such occurrences.


•As such:
-I would never sign any such indemnity contract
where you would be able to worm your way out
of accepting full responsibility for damaging any
of my vehicles, in any manner, whatsoever.


Bob
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Agreed. OP if you took your car to get serviced at a dealership and they asked you to sign away damage rights what would be your reaction.

Now i do believe in having a clause that could be caused if pointed out before performing work.


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ducksfan said:
Yah, Bob has a point. But so does the flip side.

A 20 year old vehicle with paint problems. I wouldn't take responsibility for that unless I did something irresponsible. The paint at that point is probably UV compromised or has been repainted (which brings in a host of possible problems).

PDR guys, vinyl wrap guys and others don't take responsibility for existing paint problems. Why should detailers?

Like I said, if you messed up, own it. But if you were reasonably responsible and got burned by poor quality paint, why should you pay for it?
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If a PDR guy does not tell you before hand or does not have you sign something that does. If i cracks the paint because it was thin and he didnt disclose.... he’s gonna pay for it. He’s the one accepting money to do a job. You should be competent in your work and your tools.

30 year old paint 3000psi ......


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So stupid question is, do we advise customer of paint peeling?

If he agrees we perform work?
If so how would one wash peeling paint with a hose and very gently?


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Don't use a pressure washer on 20 yr. old paint and don't polish without a PG.
 
Question for Raurfer and anyone else, if you had a customer and the car was peeling/rust underneath and you pointed it out. How would you then proceed to wash it?
 
TrustJesus said:
Question for Raurfer and anyone else, if you had a customer and the car was peeling/rust underneath and you pointed it out. How would you then proceed to wash it?
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Very carefully. LOL What would you do after wash?
 
The drying part would probably give me anxiety.


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Rsurfer said:
Don't use a pressure washer on 20 yr. old paint and don't polish without a PG.
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Rsurfer, when it comes to Paint Gauge what is your opinion of thickness on paint?

What number would you stop at to make sure your clear coat is still good?


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TrustJesus said:
Rsurfer, when it comes to Paint Gauge what is your opinion of thickness on paint?

What number would you stop at to make sure your clear coat is still good?


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On OEM paint that is in good condition I would say no less than 80 microns. Although OEM clear coat is thin..it takes a lot to remove a few microns.

Measure your door jam or under the hood to get an estimate of your clear coat.
 
This is one area that has kicked my butt trying to figure out and do right.

Thanks, don’t PG measure in increments of points (.)?

For example 4.5, 5.0, 5.5?


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TrustJesus said:
This is one area that has kicked my butt trying to figure out and do right.

Thanks, don’t PG measure in increments of points (.)?

For example 4.5, 5.0, 5.5?
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That scale are in mils. I like to use microns, wider scale.
 
Ah ok, learn something new. Cool thanks for info


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