Testing OC 2.0

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Hello everyone,

For those of you who didn't see my thread about the dealership I will provide a quick background.

Takes car to get serviced, requests no wash. Gets washed. Gets covered in scratches. Have to take to detailer to get anything paid for. That detailer messed up car some more. Not sure if detailer even applied OC 2.0 on my car. This was about a month ago..

So I was planning on testing to make sure the OC is there. I'm going to foam the car with CG citrus diluted to strip waxes. If OC is indeed applied there it should still be beading, correct? I am just making sure I know exactly what to look for before proceeding.

Thanks for reading!
 
If the oc is still there you can spray degreaser or APC on it, rinse it off, and it will still bead. If there is no beading after wash and rinse, other is no oc.

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b0b said:
Hello everyone,

For those of you who didn't see my thread about the dealership I will provide a quick background.

Takes car to get serviced, requests no wash. Gets washed. Gets covered in scratches. Have to take to detailer to get anything paid for. That detailer messed up car some more. Not sure if detailer even applied OC 2.0 on my car. This was about a month ago..

So I was planning on testing to make sure the OC is there. I'm going to foam the car with CG citrus diluted to strip waxes. If OC is indeed applied there it should still be beading, correct? I am just making sure I know exactly what to look for before proceeding.

Thanks for reading!
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Can you explain what process the detailer used and how it was mesed up even more?

Feed back please
 
VP Mark said:
If the oc is still there you can spray degreaser or APC on it, rinse it off, and it will still bead. If there is no beading after wash and rinse, other is no oc.

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Ok I thought it was pretty straightforward, just double checking because with this weather I won't have too many chances at a good wash.

Will post the results for everyone to see... Fingers crossed. Its supposed to get to 50 on Thursday so that shall be the day.
 
It is worth noting that the 'spray pattern' of your nozzle can greatly affect the perceived beading while you are washing.

You also need to be completely sure that you have rinsed away any degreaser/apc that you will be using to 'test' a section with.

Sheeting ability may be easier to monitor? Perhaps a video of this process would be nice to see... start by spraying water on the surface so we can see the current beading, then clean a section with your product of choice followed by a very thorough rinse, and then finally observe any changes in beading/sheeting performance.
 
zmcgovern45 said:
It is worth noting that the 'spray pattern' of your nozzle can greatly affect the perceived beading while you are washing.

You also need to be completely sure that you have rinsed away any degreaser/apc that you will be using to 'test' a section with.

Sheeting ability may be easier to monitor? Perhaps a video of this process would be nice to see... start by spraying water on the surface so we can see the current beading, then clean a section with your product of choice followed by a very thorough rinse, and then finally observe any changes in beading/sheeting performance.
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That I can do! Now, I am just hoping for some good weather Thursday. I usually use my pressure washer when washing. Would you recommend using only the hose with no attachments for this demonstration? Thanks as always Zach.:xyxthumbs:
 
b0b said:
That I can do! Now, I am just hoping for some good weather Thursday. I usually use my pressure washer when washing. Would you recommend using only the hose with no attachments for this demonstration? Thanks as always Zach.:xyxthumbs:
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For sheeting, I simply use my standard hose with no attachments, and since I have pretty high water pressure, I slow down the flow of the water by partially kinking the hose so I can get a nice, smooth stream of water.

Now that you mention it, my pressure washer usually displays nice beading.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMC7cKGP78&feature=share&list=UUYYkJ7ziLLPtmrrESuYUoPw]22ple VX1 Pro Coating - Beading After 6 months - YouTube[/video]
 
Thanks for video. Will post mine here on Thursday.

:dblthumb2:

EDIT: I have Megs APC D101. This should do the trick, right?

Should I spray on APC (or should I wet car and then spray APC) /hose off with water or should I use a wash mitt on the paint?
 
b0b said:
Thanks for video. Will post mine here on Thursday.

:dblthumb2:

EDIT: I have Megs APC D101. This should do the trick, right?

Should I spray on APC (or should I wet car and then spray APC) /hose off with water or should I use a wash mitt on the paint?
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I would imagine D101 would be just fine.

If it were me, I would probably do as follows:

1 - Spray/Rinse surface to demonstrate current beading/sheeting abilities on the (most likely) dirty surface.

2 - Wash Surface with Shampoo (normal strength, just as if you were doing a maintenance wash). Rinse thoroughly and again note the beading/sheeting abilities after this step.

3 - Spray APC onto the still wet surface and let dwell for a short period of time. If you want, I see no harm in wiping the area with a clean wash mitt as well.

4 - Rinse the area very well and then note the beading/sheeting after you are certain the APC has been completely rinsed away.

With any luck, the beading in step 2 and step 4 should be comparable.
 
If I'm to correctly understand this particular testing method of OC 2.0:
-Your contention is that there's a possibility that there may not have been any OC 2.0 applied to your vehicle?
-If OC 2.0 was indeed applied: The recommended processes of doing so were not followed to the letter?

If so...I then must ask:
-What "size and shape" water beads are you expecting the OC 2.0 to exhibit
after it's been completely denuded from any/all above surface contaminates?

Makes me wonder again:
To what varying degrees of hydrophobicity a film layer of OC 2.0 is "rated" to be,
versus that of a CC-paint film layer completely devoid of having any OC 2.0.

Please keep us apprised. :Picture:<<<Thanks.

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
If I'm to correctly understand this particular testing method of OC 2.0:
-Your contention is that there's a possibility that there may not have been any OC 2.0 applied to your vehicle?
-If OC 2.0 was indeed applied: The recommended processes of doing so were not followed to the letter?

If so...I then must ask:
-What "size and shape" water beads are you expecting the OC 2.0 to exhibit
after it's been completely denuded from any/all above surface contaminates?

Makes me wonder again:
To what varying degrees of hydrophobicity a film layer of OC 2.0 is "rated" to be,
versus that of a CC-paint film layer completely devoid of having any OC 2.0.

Please keep us apprised. :Picture:<<<Thanks.

Bob
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While working with this particular detailer I came across a few problems. One of them being that the car was a hazy mess when I picked it up so it had to be re-polished. When I called and scheduled my appointment he informed me that if I were to go with OC I would need to wait a few days for it to be delivered.

Well when he "fixed" it he asked me if I just wanted to throw a coat of wax on instead.. Seeing as I paid for OC I kindly refused. I picked the car up the following morning which scares me into thinking he just waxed it since he had no time to receive a new shipment of OC...

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b0b said:
While working with this particular detailer I came across a few problems. One of them being that the car was a hazy mess when I picked it up so it had to be re-polished. When I called and scheduled my appointment he informed me that if I were to go with OC I would need to wait a few days for it to be delivered.

Well when he "fixed" it he asked me if I just wanted to throw a coat of wax on instead.. Seeing as I paid for OC I kindly refused. I picked the car up the following morning which scares me into thinking he just waxed it since he had no time to receive a new shipment of OC...
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I doubt he applied any wax to your vehicle.
I know I wouldn't have after being told not to do so by a Customer.

Can't hardly wait for the results of your test!!

Bob
 
Can anyone reccomend what I should diulte the D101 at?

Weather is looking good so I will be performing the test this afternoon.
 
I would do 4:1... that is the recommended strength for 'heavier cleaning'.
 
I find OC to have a very unique effect when the water hits it, especially with a pressure washer. Keep in mind the surfactants in some APC's can effect the beading/sheeting too, so be sure to rinse really well.

Here is a video I made with OCP on my old car.
Opti-Guard Hydrophobic properties.wmv - YouTube
 
Just got finished with the test. Heading to get some dinner then am going to edit the videos together.
 
OC 2.0 Test

Well I know what I think, I would like to know what everyone else thinks. Sorry for the 10 minute video... To perform the best test I could think of I used two different IS250's with the same paint color.

Thanks for watching and I cant wait to see what you all have to say!
 
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