The Chemistry of Detailing

I would be very careful if you are trying to reverse-engineer the products...the MSDS sheets are vague for a reason...the secrets of the additives in such products is important to the companies that manufacture the products. I have a BS in Chemistry, and your thread is very interesting to me, and it seems you are just trying to analyze the samples to understand better why they work so well. But Mike puts things very well in his reply...so just some words of wisdom, that's all!

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For that exact reason I am staying away from talking about concentrations to the public and I am leaving out tons of information that doesn't need to be put out there until I publish my findings regarding active compounds and make conclusions about the relevance of my research.

I am going to shift my updates to the reason why things clean and not so much the chemical interactions in the bottles, only certain active ingredients.
 
JonMiles said:
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For that exact reason I am staying away from talking about concentrations to the public and I am leaving out tons of information that doesn't need to be put out there until I publish my findings regarding active compounds and make conclusions about the relevance of my research.

I am going to shift my updates to the reason why things clean and not so much the chemical interactions in the bottles, only certain active ingredients.
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That's awesome, man. I know you fully understand confidentiality...please don't take what I said the wrong way...

I am very interested in the cleaning abilities of the products and the active ingredients as you were talking about. I used to do a LOT of FTIR (now I do mostly biological assays), but I don't think that technique would help you too much because of the water content in the products. I DO remember (from many moons ago when I performed chemical anaylsis on a regular basis) that the spectrum of water is totally overwhelming and obstructs the spectra of the other products. Only if certain organic compounds were isolated, then you could maybe get some usable spectra. But of course that's why you are using GCMS, and NMR, and other techniques. Your analysis techniques seem very thorough. I also am intrigued as to the reasons why things clean. Looking forward to hearing more about this topic.
 
I think Mike was trying to be politicaly correct in his statement. He does not want you to identify the ingrediants particulary in products that AG / Palm beach Motoring makes themselves or controls the formulas to. Example if you were to Analyze Fusion and tell us all that it is very close in Formulation to Natty's Red a product that is nearly 1/5 the cost that may not bode well for future sales. That being Said Please Please test those two. I have long suspected they are more similar then different ! :)
 
JonMiles said:
:iagree:

For that exact reason I am staying away from talking about concentrations to the public and I am leaving out tons of information that doesn't need to be put out there until I publish my findings regarding active compounds and make conclusions about the relevance of my research.

I am going to shift my updates to the reason why things clean and not so much the chemical interactions in the bottles, only certain active ingredients.
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That would be a step in the right direction Jon.The challenge is in communicating the scientific knowledge in a way that is understandable to the general public and in a way that makes it relevant to them.
 
so what happen with this thread JonMiles?... Was/is it continued elsewhere?... I have recently started looking into the science and chemistry of removing dirt/soil from surfaces, and the how/why of the processes entailed with cleaning/detailing. If this thread is dead I would like to know what happened.
 
I was rushing to subscribe to this thread when I noticed that it was 4+ years old and dead! Thanks for raising this thread out of the ashes ShaunD and getting me excited for nothing LOL!!!!

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No problem Doc.:D
I plan on starting a new thread since what I have to offer and would like more input on is different than the basis of this thread. I would have enjoyed seeing this thread mature into something great.
 
ShaunD said:
I have recently started looking into the science and chemistry of removing dirt/soil from surfaces, and the how/why of the processes entailed with cleaning/detailing.
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IMO:
A good place to start this "dirty-journey" is to
find the answers to the following questions:
1.) What are dirts/soils?
2.) How are they formed?
3.) Will searching for the definition of "Pedogenesis"
provide answers to the above questions #1 and #2?


Bob
 
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