The new mf polishing pads?

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I've heard of these mf cutting polishing and finishing pads. But know nothing of them. I just got a PC and I need all new pads. Can I use these mf cutting pads with uc for heavy cutting? How r they different from foam pads other than not being foam..

Also I just booked a deal with a dealership to do all their trade ins so with my new 6 in PC I'm prolly going with a 5in backing plate but how many and what pads should I get to keep me going for a while at least a month or so?

Would the new mf pads be good due to them being easy to machine wash?

As much info as u have any and all please help.

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All I use is MF pads unless I run into some soft paint. I love them. I used to be a 100% rotary guy until I tried MF pads on a da. That rotary has only been used like twice in the past 3 months. They cut harder and faster than foam pads. Foam finishes nicer. I've never used ultimate compound with them, but I'm sure it would work fine. I generally use 105 & 205 with them.

I clean mine by hand. I soak them in dawn dish soap and water for a few hours. Then I rinse them in the sink until the water squeezed out is clear. I spin them on my rotary to get out excess water. I generally use 1 pad per half of the car. I blow the pad out after each section I work. I'd get a few of each to start for sure
 
Also will the backing plate that comes with the starter kit megs has work on a PC?

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All I use is MF pads unless I run into some soft paint. I love them. I used to be a 100% rotary guy until I tried MF pads on a da. That rotary has only been used like twice in the past 3 months. They cut harder and faster than foam pads. Foam finishes nicer. I've never used ultimate compound with them, but I'm sure it would work fine. I generally use 105 & 205 with them.

I clean mine by hand. I soak them in dawn dish soap and water for a few hours. Then I rinse them in the sink until the water squeezed out is clear. I spin them on my rotary to get out excess water. I generally use 1 pad per half of the car. I blow the pad out after each section I work. I'd get a few of each to start for sure

Thanks for that info.. how many different mf pads do they have I've only seen the cutting and finishing.
Also u say foam finishes better. Would it be good to do polishing or cutting with the mf pads then finish with foam?

And are they a better value than foam? Like due to the fact they're easy to clean and, do they last longer? Like I could get more jobs done with the mf pads vs foam pad?

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Ha.. OK.. but back to mf pads. Are there more than just the cutting and finishing ones? And do the offer a better value than foam? Like last longer, work better...

Anyone maybe have a pros and cons on foam vs mf pads?

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MF pads cut better than foam pads so they save time. I only use foam pads for finishing polish. The biggest thing for me is I can use 1-2 MF pads for one car as for foam pads would take me 5 or more pads to do one car.
When using MF pads then need to be clean often by using a pad brush or using compressed air it what I use. I don't know why people say don't use MF pads on soft paint I do all the time with great results.
 
Ha.. OK.. but back to mf pads. Are there more than just the cutting and finishing ones? And do the offer a better value than foam? Like last longer, work better...

Anyone maybe have a pros and cons on foam vs mf pads?

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Ive only seen cutting and finishing except i believe lc makes only one pad for both. The only problem I have with them is they will marr soft paint. Some paints I just can't get them to finish perfectly. The only time I use foam pads is for finishing.

I have polished 25+ cars with a set of 2 each and they are still going strong. I have tried meguiars and optimum MF pads and like the meguiars better. The optimum cutting pad I have failed after 2 panels.
 
So I should get megs pads then? And they come two to a pack so one pack of cutting and one of finishing should last me at least a few cars right?
Also do they work with any backing plate? Or do I need the one that comes with the starter kit?

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So I should get megs pads then? And they come two to a pack so one pack of cutting and one of finishing should last me at least a few cars right?
Also do they work with any backing plate? Or do I need the one that comes with the starter kit?

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Yes get Meg's Cutting pads and don't get the finishing ones. Use foam pads for finishing. I don't anyone who use the finishing one foam pads work best for finishing. Yes they work with any backing plate and I would just get the pads, d300 or Menz FG400 or both.
 
What's d300

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So I should get megs pads then? And they come two to a pack so one pack of cutting and one of finishing should last me at least a few cars right?
Also do they work with any backing plate? Or do I need the one that comes with the starter kit?

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Might look at D300 if your going to do dealership work. They could care less about multistage correction. Hit it with D300 / MF cutting pad, OR even the polishing pad.

The finishing wax with the MF Kit also has some cut to it and can be used as a AIO also.

Still need some foam pads to do finer finish work but the MF system does a darned good job on most of what you'll see (especially as uses cars). AND... the MF pads work well with 101 too. :)

One way to try the Megs pads, D300 and Finishing Wax is get the 5" MF Correction System. I just ordered a 2nd one. ( Basically the backing plate (and apron is free) if you have a 20% off code.
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I've been using MF pads in a production setting for over a year now and once through the learning curve with them I'll likely not reach for a foam pad for the first cutting steps again. Practically speaking, for doing dealership trade ins, you could essentially get away with one set of section passes using D-300 to produce a very acceptable looking (lot ready) finish.

In many cases I'm able to take a heavily swirled trade in and run a few section passes with MF pads and M-105 to produce the "lot ready" look rather quickly (2 - 3 hours) and apply a quick coat of UPGP and call it a done deal. The exception would be black paint and some bright reds, where they typically need either a quick finishing pass or often times D-300 will produce the right look in one stage of polishing but this doesn't do a whole lot for deeper RIDS.

The MF pads (if used with M-105 or D-300) can simply be tossed back into the cabinet after use without (soap and water) cleaning. This is because these particular compounds seem to dry well on the fibers and since they dry on the fibers instead of gumming up on the fibers, the brush and blow method is all that is really required for a compound ready MF pad. The next time you go for them, simply brush the fibers a bit and then hit them with some compressed air and they're ready to use. On the other hand if you use an AIO product containing a wax, the MF pads tend to get pretty gummed up with the product and will require soap and water clean up.

I attempt to cut out every unnecessary step that I can, and cleaning pads with soap and water is something I try to avoid if possible. I have several MF pads that have never seen soap and water, but rather brushed with a pad cleaning brush to dislodge any spent compound/abraded off paint, then blown off with compressed air to remove all the dried stuff that the brush breaks loose from the fibers.

To each his own though, if someone wants to spend the time detailing their detailing tools, more power to them.

Like mentioned above, my go to is MF pads (LC UltraFiber) with either D-300, M-105 or both, one set of section passes over the entire vehicle, followed by a quick application of UPGP to include the trim, plastic mirror housings, wiper cowl, glass etc. UPGP makes it all look nice enough for the used car lot and it's the quickest method I've found through lots of trial and error.

The trick to using MF pads and getting them to last a long time is to not allow them to get too saturated with product, and don't allow them to get too hot if they do get saturated with product. If the MF pads get too saturated with product combined with too much applied downward pressure, they'll begin to steam as they begin to heat up due to over applied pressure. If this happens, Stop and use your compressed air to cool them back down, then continue to use them without applying any more compound until the compound that's saturated into the pad has been used up and the pad becomes more dry.

Trust me when I say this...if the pad is saturated with a SMAT compound such as M-105 or D-300 and then blown to cool off with compressed air, there will be plenty of effective abrasives left in the pad to continue compounding your next panel with.

I lucked out and bought a lot of discontinued 3M 5" DA backing plates with the holes in them. These backing plates with the holes in them work great to keep the MF pads cool and to extend the life of the pad while using them hard in a production setting. To my knowledge, the only backing plates available with the cooling holes in them are the Mirka 6" backing plates that Kevin Brown stocks. If I didn't have these 3M backing plates, I'd buy some of the 6" Mirka plates with the holes in them and cut them down to work with a 5" MF pad.

Using the standard backing plates without the holes, you'll spend more time blowing the discs with compressed air to keep them cool (if you're working them hard) and this of course means less time getting the work done on the paint. I think that LC or anyone that makes backing plates for that matter needs to come out with some 5" DA backing plates with cooling holes in them. This would make life easier for the serious production oriented paint polishers of the world.

Just some of my own personal experience with MF pads, hope it helps...TD

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Detailers Domain has a 5" backing plate with the cooling holes.
 
Detailers Domain has a 5" backing plate with the cooling holes.

That's nice to know. Thanks for that info. I'd really recommend that anyone using MF pads, get a backing plate with the cooling holes and experience for yourself how much longer the MF pads last and see how much cooler they run too. Not only do the pads last longer but if pad overheating does occur, the backing plate doesn't totally melt down, saving even more time, money and aggrivation.
 
I've been using MF pads in a production setting for over a year now and once through the learning curve with them I'll likely not reach for a foam pad for the first cutting steps again. Practically speaking, for doing dealership trade ins, you could essentially get away with one set of section passes using D-300 to produce a very acceptable looking (lot ready) finish.

In many cases I'm able to take a heavily swirled trade in and run a few section passes with MF pads and M-105 to produce the "lot ready" look rather quickly (2 - 3 hours) and apply a quick coat of UPGP and call it a done deal. The exception would be black paint and some bright reds, where they typically need either a quick finishing pass or often times D-300 will produce the right look in one stage of polishing but this doesn't do a whole lot for deeper RIDS.

The MF pads (if used with M-105 or D-300) can simply be tossed back into the cabinet after use without (soap and water) cleaning. This is because these particular compounds seem to dry well on the fibers and since they dry on the fibers instead of gumming up on the fibers, the brush and blow method is all that is really required for a compound ready MF pad. The next time you go for them, simply brush the fibers a bit and then hit them with some compressed air and they're ready to use. On the other hand if you use an AIO product containing a wax, the MF pads tend to get pretty gummed up with the product and will require soap and water clean up.

I attempt to cut out every unnecessary step that I can, and cleaning pads with soap and water is something I try to avoid if possible. I have several MF pads that have never seen soap and water, but rather brushed with a pad cleaning brush to dislodge any spent compound/abraded off paint, then blown off with compressed air to remove all the dried stuff that the brush breaks loose from the fibers.

To each his own though, if someone wants to spend the time detailing their detailing tools, more power to them.

Like mentioned above, my go to is MF pads (LC UltraFiber) with either D-300, M-105 or both, one set of section passes over the entire vehicle, followed by a quick application of UPGP to include the trim, plastic mirror housings, wiper cowl, glass etc. UPGP makes it all look nice enough for the used car lot and it's the quickest method I've found through lots of trial and error.

The trick to using MF pads and getting them to last a long time is to not allow them to get too saturated with product, and don't allow them to get too hot if they do get saturated with product. If the MF pads get too saturated with product combined with too much applied downward pressure, they'll begin to steam as they begin to heat up due to over applied pressure. If this happens, Stop and use your compressed air to cool them back down, then continue to use them without applying any more compound until the compound that's saturated into the pad has been used up and the pad becomes more dry.

Trust me when I say this...if the pad is saturated with a SMAT compound such as M-105 or D-300 and then blown to cool off with compressed air, there will be plenty of effective abrasives left in the pad to continue compounding your next panel with.

I lucked out and bought a lot of discontinued 3M 5" DA backing plates with the holes in them. These backing plates with the holes in them work great to keep the MF pads cool and to extend the life of the pad while using them hard in a production setting. To my knowledge, the only backing plates available with the cooling holes in them are the Mirka 6" backing plates that Kevin Brown stocks. If I didn't have these 3M backing plates, I'd buy some of the 6" Mirka plates with the holes in them and cut them down to work with a 5" MF pad.

Using the standard backing plates without the holes, you'll spend more time blowing the discs with compressed air to keep them cool (if you're working them hard) and this of course means less time getting the work done on the paint. I think that LC or anyone that makes backing plates for that matter needs to come out with some 5" DA backing plates with cooling holes in them. This would make life easier for the serious production oriented paint polishers of the world.

Just some of my own personal experience with MF pads, hope it helps...TD

No time to edit for grammar and spelling...got to go...

Listen to this man! He just hit you with tons of good info. If you play with combos of pads and polishes you can find a single step procedure for most cars that'll look beautiful. It may not be a show car finish, but it'll take a good eye and the right light to see any imperfections left.
 
Listen to this man! He just hit you with tons of good info. If you play with combos of pads and polishes you can find a single step procedure for most cars that'll look beautiful. It may not be a show car finish, but it'll take a good eye and the right light to see any imperfections left.

Thanks.

It's only once you're well into doing used car dealership work that you really realize how much time you'll have to shave off of the job in order to be profitable. These dealers have very little budget for detailing so you'll have to find a super quick yet effective way to produce the look that they need for their stock vehicles.

They don't care about product quality, clay bars, what machines or procedures you use etc. etc. all they care about is that the cars look great and the work is done for cheap and done fast. It's a tough racket for sure so you'd be best to concentrate on cutting any unnecessary steps that you possibly can.

If you're thinking about big flashy brands of products and PH balanced cleaners in anything less that 5 gallon sized containers, you're likely already "behind the 8 Ball" concerning profitability.

Good luck with the dealership deals.
 
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