The OFFICIAL Duragloss Enviroshild review thread, everyone!

I appreciate all the info Cardaddy, I really do and I'm beginning to think that the DGNCC isn't for me. It seems to me that:

-1 coat is all you need and if you touch it with anything, including itself, it dimishes the product.

-spraying AW on it must deteriorate it too (although I was told to wait 6 monthes to use it) That said, does that mean it takes 6 monthes to really cure then?

-pollen takes its toll on the DGNCC apparently

-its so durable that you can't touch it with anything but soap and water or the DG rinseless, but that has AW infused in it.

-can't top it with anything.

-the gloss can go away after 2 monthes if a portion or all of the above occur.

I know I sound sour but really, a fine grade Speedy Prep towel affects it that much too, how durable can something be if its so delicate?

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I agree with all you are disappointed with except the speedy prep towel part. To me another wax shouldn't hurt a freaking coating! Even their own rinseless wash (because it has AW) isn't great for it? Geesh.

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I agree with all you are disappointed with except the speedy prep towel part. To me another wax shouldn't hurt a freaking coating! Even their own rinseless wash (because it has AW) isn't great for it? Geesh.

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So you think a fine grade Speedy Prep towel affects the DGNCC?

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So you think a fine grade Speedy Prep towel affects the DGNCC?

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I was saying I wouldn't be shocked that a speedy prep towel effected ANY coating...mainly cause it whole purpose is to scrub the surface.


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I was saying I wouldn't be shocked that a speedy prep towel effected ANY coating...mainly cause it whole purpose is to scrub the surface.


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Well I know this, ANYTHING that touches the surface is going to wear ANYTHING down, its just a matter of how much. Sure, the Speedy Prep towel, even the fine grade like I have and use, is made to dig up that "grit" on the surface, thus wearing down your protection even more than say your drying towel but we're also using alot of clay lube, usually DG rinseless made as a quick detailer or clay lube and in my case, I go with the QD amount because its going to be more slippery, plus its got AW infused into as well.

I do like all the info here, one way or the other, many people will learn from the "real world" tests we've got going on right here.

The more and more I think about it though, I really should apply the DGNCC to the car going into the winter and let it ride, its not like I can top it or spray anything on it, the only thing I can do is do DG rinseless washes.
 
I appreciate all the info Cardaddy, I really do and I'm beginning to think that the DGNCC isn't for me. It seems to me that:

-1 coat is all you need and if you touch it with anything, including itself, it dimishes the product.

Not exactly. What Bill said was that it didn't need more than one coat, as long as it was thoroughly coated the first time that is.

-spraying AW on it must deteriorate it too (although I was told to wait 6 monthes to use it) That said, does that mean it takes 6 monthes to really cure then?

Didn't say it deteriorated it, just that it'll effect the water beading properties. Knowing AW is good, but that the coating beads better.

AW will smear when sitting on top of it though!
Although.... I've seen that on black cars without any coating. One thing about AW is that it also likes to be put on THIN! It also tends not to wash of (when you do washes as often as your typical AG fan does) and as such it'll build up on the surface. Once it builds up it smears!

-pollen takes its toll on the DGNCC apparently

-its so durable that you can't touch it with anything but soap and water or the DG rinseless, but that has AW infused in it.

-can't top it with anything.

-the gloss can go away after 2 monthes if a portion or all of the above occur.

I'm not so sure that pollen hurts it in any way.

The conversation wasn't about washing "hurting the durability" but more about "what you NEED to do" over and above "what a lot of people tend to WANT to do". Never said that topping it would make it fail, or fall off, or whatever, just that it really didn't need it.

Simply put, as long as it has a decent shampoo on it, at REGULAR invervals (and I think it's been talked about for ALL coatings (even about OCP over on that thread) that most people tend to not wash their vehicles both AS needed and LIKE NEEDED, as in using the proper technique 2bm etc.).

About their rinseless I don't know about, we didn't discuss that.

The comment I made about their show & shine product wasn't particularly aimed at the coating product. We were talking about using QD's and Bill said that they had had excellent results (in the instances where one would use a QD spray) and took that a bit farther to discuss using the different dilutions I mentioned.


I know I sound sour but really, a fine grade Speedy Prep towel affects it that much too, how durable can something be if its so delicate?

Who said a Speedy Prep towel would remove it? Although imho, I'd say clay and/or Speedy Prep or Nanoskin would likely be detrimental to ANY similar coating, including CQuartz, Pinnacle, Nanoshine, AutoProtect, 22ple, and a whole host of others. To date OCP is the only one that has claimed to be "permanent" and GOD let's not go there. :rolleyes:

They were never meant to be abraded, which clay and clay substitutes do. Just washed with a good quality shampoo and dried with care and a quality drying media.
 
So, it seems there is no way to remove this coating once you put it on, short of using some sort of abrasive ?

When I first heard about this coating, I thought maybe it was just what I would want... that being a really clear and shiny protective coating for my car's exterior... one that could easily get me through a rough Michigan winter and maybe longer without me needing to touch it again. However after seeing those pictures of CarDaddy's daughter's car, it makes me a bit concerned.

Now, I know there are others who've not had any problems of that sort, so I guess there's still part of me that would like to try a product like this, however the thought of having no easy way to remove the entire coating if for some reason I don't like the results, is kinda troubling.
 
Well LowSlowJoe, for the price its worth a shot for sure. As far as needing to remove it, well, after a typical Michigan winter its going to be worn down enough to make removal in the spring a bit easier. As far as removal goes, well, an average polish w/ say an orange pad at moderate speed "should" remove what you'd have left after the winter. Even if the coating were at say 80%, claying to remove the grit and said polish/pad combo should remove it, if need be, so I wouldn't worry too much.

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My only question is if you are looking to remove it or need to remove it after a northern winter, why not just go with their regular line up of sealants? From my experiences, a good claying, followed up with DG 501/601 at the 4:1 mixture and two coats of 105/601 at the 4:1 mixture handle a western Pennsylvania winter pretty well. Plus you can use AW, and FC&S to make the vehicle look just detailed again. Why would I feel the need to use the coating?
 
The coating is supposed to last longer and only needing regular washes, so its really for the person who doesn't have a lot of time or maybe your someone who does cars on the side and the persons car whom your working on is the "average" person out there.

As far as the DG combo you mentioned, nothing wrong with that for sure!

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Great write up! Sounds like a good coating for beginners.

What do you have on your taillights? Vinyl?
 
Great write up! Sounds like a good coating for beginners.

What do you have on your taillights? Vinyl?

Yeah, I had translucent vinyl on there from the local graphics shop but after getting the racing stripes put on it had to go, too much going on back there IMO.

Thanks for the comments on the product and this far into the thread shows alot of info and how the product reacts to different users for sure. I'm going to end up trying this out going into winter as I will not be able to touch it with anything due to temps, this will be a greater test for the product for me.

I would like to thank everyone for the info added to this thread, all the emails and conversations, its much appreciated!
 
Duragloss: Customer Service the way it SHOULD be!

!!!! CUSTOMER SERVICE THE WAY IT SHOULD BE !!!!

Earlier in this thread I mentioned what seemed like a failure of the coating.

Then the response from Bill @ Duragloss. To date they are looking into replicating the situation in their testing, (perhaps one day we'll see). :dunno:

In any event, after speaking with Bill @ Duragloss (one of the two original founding brothers) he said he would send me a "few bottles" of product that I might like to try.

Well low and behold, looked outside and found two FULL boxes of product last night!
Here is a list of what all showed up.

Left to Right
1 gallon 952 AquaWax
1 gallon 902 shampoo
1 gallon 923 Fast Clean & Shine

Left to Right
221 Leather conditioner
441 Leather Shampoo
681 Plastic Lens polish
671 Swirl Mark Remover (I think it's more of a glaze)
105 Total Performance Polish
931 Rinseless Wash with AquaWax

AND
(Because y'all know how few microfiber towels I have.) ;)

9001 Microfiber Wash Mitt
9003 Microfiber Polishing Cloth (Both of these are similar to Zanio Borderless Blondes)
9002 Microfiber Drying Towel

All in all, over $210 (@ Autogeek prices, $203 @ Duragloss).
Their guarantee of course (on ALL their products) is for replacement of your original product and/or a full refund. I'd say this FAR EXCEEDS that situation by leaps and bounds!

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but nobody, I mean NOBODY else out there has customer service like this. Autogeek isn't bad, and better than most in fact. But when is the last time any of you have had an e-mail from Max? Better yet, spend over half an hour on a phone call from Max? (Because he was concerned with your satisfaction of a product no less.) Then to replace product at 4 times what you've spent! Uh... YEAH! (Oh, and they'll charge flat rate shipping of $5.)



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Re: Duragloss: Customer Service the way it SHOULD be!

!!!! CUSTOMER SERVICE THE WAY IT SHOULD BE !!!!

Earlier in this thread I mentioned what seemed like a failure of the coating.

Then the response from Bill @ Duragloss. To date they are looking into replicating the situation in their testing, (perhaps one day we'll see). :dunno:

In any event, after speaking with Bill @ Duragloss (one of the two original founding brothers) he said he would send me a "few bottles" of product that I might like to try.

Well low and behold, looked outside and found two FULL boxes of product last night!
Here is a list of what all showed up.

Left to Right
1 gallon 952 AquaWax
1 gallon 902 shampoo
1 gallon 923 Fast Clean & Shine

Left to Right
221 Leather conditioner
441 Leather Shampoo
681 Plastic Lens polish
671 Swirl Mark Remover (I think it's more of a glaze)
105 Total Performance Polish
931 Rinseless Wash with AquaWax

AND
(Because y'all know how few microfiber towels I have.) ;)

9001 Microfiber Wash Mitt
9003 Microfiber Polishing Cloth (Both of these are similar to Zanio Borderless Blondes)
9002 Microfiber Drying Towel

All in all, over $210 (@ Autogeek prices, $203 @ Duragloss).
Their guarantee of course (on ALL their products) is for replacement of your original product and/or a full refund. I'd say this FAR EXCEEDS that situation by leaps and bounds!

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but nobody, I mean NOBODY else out there has customer service like this. Autogeek isn't bad, and better than most in fact. But when is the last time any of you have had an e-mail from Max? Better yet, spend over half an hour on a phone call from Max? (Because he was concerned with your satisfaction of a product no less.) Then to replace product at 4 times what you've spent! Uh... YEAH! (Oh, and they'll charge flat rate shipping of $5.)



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I must have a DG product that doesn't work to get in this action. I just can't find it. All kidding aside that is a great haul.

Dave
 
I must have a DG product that doesn't work to get in this action. I just can't find it. All kidding aside that is a great haul.

Dave

:dblthumb2: Yep, a GREAT haul indeed David! :dblthumb2:

And I totally forgot to put in the aerosol spray detailer! ;)

Damn!

Deja vu?


LOL!!!!!

Deja vu?

Who?

Whatcha' sayin'.....

Im the MANAhhhh (that'd be) MEEEEEEEE.Im the MAN
 
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Your right CarDaddy, Duragloss takes care of their customers, period! That's an impressive way to keep you happy, no doubt about it but besides them sending you "a couple items you might like to try" is the shipping rate they charge, why is it so hard for everyone else to do this? It would really increase sales if there was a flat rate and/or better rates for shipping but I'm sure it has something to do with the overhead companies have but come to think about it, ALL companies have that.

Did they ask for the old DGNCC back so they could test it?
 
I guess I'm confused.

Are there 2 versions of DG-NCC out (an old and a new)?
 
I guess I'm confused.

Are there 2 versions of DG-NCC out (an old and a new)?

No but I can see where it might sound like that. There was an issue with results where it was leaving an "rainbow effect" and I thought maybe DG would like it back to test it out, could've been a bad batch. I was just curious if they (DG) wanted to test it, that's all.
 
Hey I totally agree, that is THE way to take care of your customer!

I mean, sure..... I could probably have talked with someone in customer service and gotten a replacement for the coating. But I filled out the "contact us" box on their site, told them the problem (not a long post like I typically put here) as well as linked this thread. Also included which post was mine with the description of the failure (or what may or may not be a failure) along with my contact information and left it at that.

The next day Dr. Bill Bailey called me!

Our conversation (like mine here) was quite varied, and lasted a good 45 minutes or so. He took the time out of his day to find out what my concerns were, what my process was, and we discussed what other variables could have come into play.

Keep in mind (and I told Bill this as well) that this happened (the first layer of coating) THREE DAYS after my back surgery in April and that I wasn't involved as I would normally be. More like I just supervised both the paint correction as well as the application. I did do the test spots on the hood so that CarMomma and CarDaughter could take over from there and duplicate the process on the roof, sides, back and bottom/rockers. Just watching them drove me crazy so when they took breaks I'd take one of the buffers and do another section of the hood.

So I KNOW the hood was (at least corrected) right.

When it came time to use the suede microfiber for the application I also did most of the hood, (at least what I could reach) and left it up to them to do the rest. Thing is, the problems I saw the other week WERE on the hood! (Remember CarDaughter came down the next weekend and put another coat on it.)

Bill said that they really don't suggest "layering", as we'd discussed several members here that have talked about doing just that. That you MIGHT get away with doing one coat, then another that same day.

In fact, you've all read where they (Duragloss) has been quoted as saying you can actually get the car wet/wash it just 3 hours later. :eek: I mentioned this as that was my daughters concern that after she went home that night and the next morning there was dew on the truck. :dunno:

So yeah... perhaps Bill figured I really didn't want anymore of it. :dunno: But what impressed me (when opening the boxes and seeing all the stuff he sent) was that you could tell he was both listening AND taking notes during our conversation on the various products that I use from Duragloss, as well as what I've not used.

Told him I use 901/902 and 951/952 all the time. ALL THE TIME! That I in fact keep two bottles of 951, one "virgin" and another that I add "Polycharger" to. We discussed QD spray, and he sent that as well. Rinseless wash, sent that too.

I told him about Tim/Dad07 and that we'd exchanged the coating package for microfibers. (Well honestly.... Tim just bought the coating packages and sent then to several of us. I couldn't help but send him back a packed box full of various microfiber towels.) And that led to us talking (albeit briefly) about how I'm constantly trying microfibers of one type or another.

THANKS AGAIN TIM!!!! :dblthumb2:

So when I opened the boxes and saw all three of the Duragloss premium microfiber products I knew that Bill had been taking notes. ;)

BTW, those towels are pretty darned nice!
CarMomma likes the because they are of the "split" design and don't drag on her hands.
I used the polishing cloth today to do a QD wash on my G35 and it was totally lint free.

On the shipping though.....
I have to admit that I've not ordered direct from DG, but Tim told me about the shipping cost. To say that their direct prices are just a bit less than you'll see them elsewhere is a pleasant surprise as well, but being whether you order $5.00 or $500.00 from them that all you have to pay for shipping is $5.00 is something that SOME PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE STOCK OF!:poke: (Remember when certain forums would offer "members" free shipping over $50, then $75, now even THAT doesn't exist? Hmmmmm...... ?????)

I know these days, now that I'm fairly stocked up on supplies that ordering enough to get "free shipping" just isn't something that I do. So rather than order products that would be on sale, on BOGO, grab impulse buys, try new stuff, get one of this, one of that.... I just do without.

Ends up I usually don't order at all, or find another way (with free shipping that doesn't require spending so much) or just buy retail.

Oh well.... there's always Duragloss. ;)
 
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