Thinkin of buying a flex

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Ok I'm new big rookie but a big sucker when I see something I like I buy it no matter what..

I was thinkin portal cable in the beginning but now I'm considering the flex 3401 ..

What pads work good on the flex for a rookie? I'm thinkin a pad for polish and a pad for finish..

Also what is the life of these things do they last years and years.. Whats the maintenance on them?

Should a noob like myself be using it or should I try the pc since I've never used a machine or is the flex noobie friendly..

THANKS

I need to stop reading, the more I read my want list gets bigger!lol
 
Im a noob to to buffers so i cant really comment on maintnance or how long they'll last but i just recently bought a flex kit that came with ccs pads ( orange white and blue pad)and pinaccle swirl remover polish and wax and its been great, it runs really nice and not hard to handle you just have to make sure to hold it flat or it tries to run away on you
 
Get the flex and just watch Mike Phillips videos of using the flex and you'll be fine! I'm going to get the Flex it's $125 dollars off right now for the kit :D
 
I've used a Rotary and a PC for years....Bought a FLEX last week and love it!!! There is a small learning curve with holding it flat (wanting to walk on you),but nothing that is difficult to learn. One day of correction and you'll have that part figured out. You'll be just fine even as a novice.
 
I bought the same flex a month ago and loved it. You can really get a great amount of correction from it. I loved it so much I thought I'd cut into the old retirement fund again and bought it's rotary brother.

After never using a rotary before I can say it is completely different and takes a little getting used to but the results are the best. That being said, the 3401 is easy to use, does a great job and is nothing to be scared of.
 
I bought the same flex a month ago and loved it. You can really get a great amount of correction from it. I loved it so much I thought I'd cut into the old retirement fund again and bought it's rotary brother.

After never using a rotary before I can say it is completely different and takes a little getting used to but the results are the best. That being said, the 3401 is easy to use, does a great job and is nothing to be scared of.

Did you get the light-weight FLEX rotary...I think It's called the 3403? I too want to buy it. I just sold my Dewalt cuz it was just too much to lug around a car.
 
Did you get the light-weight FLEX rotary...I think It's called the 3403? I too want to buy it. I just sold my Dewalt cuz it was just too much to lug around a car.

No, I bought the flex P14-2-150. it only weighs five pounds. I figured since I was a noob to a rotary I would want something with a little more weight thinking it would be easier to control.

The weight is not bad and the machine is easy to work with. I think you'd love it especially since you're familiar with rotaries already.
 
Either way, you can't go wrong with Flex, if quality counts.
 
Plus there's a brand new DVD that shows all about Flex tools and how to use them...


How To Properly Use Flex Polishers DVD

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Removing Swirls out of Ceramiclear Paint


Had a 2006 Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG with some swirls in the Ceramiclear Finish.

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I moved my finger back and now you can see my fingerprint...

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Note to self, next time either leave finger in one place or wipe-off finger print
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Of course it does indicate very in-focus shots.
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I changed my PC 7424XP for the flex VRG 3401 and it's amazing!! the flex have better level of correction because is very stronger.

you make a good choice if you buy it.
 
How come the Makita B06040 never comes up in these discussions? It would seem that this machine would be the best of both worlds, with its DA mode and forced-rotation mode, plus it's slightly less expensive than the Flex. The only thing it's missing is the trigger-op, but no one seems to use this machine.

Makita Bo6040 Polisher
 
Here's a write-up I did showing how I used the Makita BO6040 to remove sanding marks.

If you can remove sanding marks you can also remove swirls, scratches, oxidation and water spots...


Makita BO6040 Removing Sanding Marks


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Earlier today I tested out the new 3M 6 inch #3000 Foam Finishing Disc now available in single packs plus the 3M 3 inch #3000 Foam Finishing Discs for doing spot repairs, sanding next to edges or in and around tight areas. When I was done I then re-dampsanded the entire panel using the new 3M #5000 Foam Finishing Discs and posted a thread about them here,


3M Trizact 6 Inch 3000 Grit Performance Sanding Disc 01459 - Singles


Since I had a black test panel already for compounding I thought today is a great day to test out the Makita BO6040 Orbital Sander/Polisher.

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The backing plate measures approximately 5 3/4" in diameter so 6.5" buffing pads are going to be a good match.

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For this test I'm going to use 3 Pro Grade Body Shop products that will tackle just about any product that ever drives into your shop or garage with just about any pad and tool combination known to man.
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This is the only picture I took that is out of focus, (sorry), but you get the idea, I primed the 6.5" Orange CCS Foam Cutting Pad and then placed 3 drops of M105 on the pad.
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I put the tool into the Forced Rotation Mode and on the highest speed setting which is the 5.0 speed setting and made about 8 section passes and removed all the #5000 Grit sanding marks easily.

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Next I primed a 6.5" CCS White Polishing Pad and then placed 3 drops of product on the pad and re-polished the same section.

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Here's a tip...
Always wipe compounds and polishes off while they are still wet and the polishing oils will act as lubricants to aid in removal without marring.

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Then I sprayed the paint with Diamondite Perfect Vision Glass Cleaner to strip off any polishing oils to inspect the finish.

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You can see just a little micro-marring... this is very soft paint so this is normal for a white polishing pad on this paint system.
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Next I primed a 6.5" Gray Finishing pad and buffed the paint again...

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Looking good! I'll let the pictures do the talking...

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On the Autogeek.net Store


Makita BO6040 Orbital Sander/ Polisher

The Makita BO6040 Orbital Polisher is an ingenious polisher that works as an orbital polisher or a forced rotation orbital polisher. The random orbital action is great for finish sanding while the forced rotation setting is fantastic for aggressive swirl and defect removal. The Makita BO6040 Orbital Polisher is like having two machines in one!

An orange knob on the Makita Polisher makes it possible to switch back and forth between random orbital and orbital forced rotation. Just be sure the machine is off when you make the switch. The speed control on the back of the machine allows you to operate at anywhere from 1600 to 5800 OPM, no matter what mode you are in. Use the random orbit mode for gentle polish and wax application and buffing. Use the forced rotation orbit for compounding and scratch removal.

One machine does it all!

Best of all, when the Makita BO6040 is in forced rotation mode, it still orbits to provide the same safeguard against burning the paint as random orbital setting. This lessens the risk of producing swirls while still giving you the cutting power of a forced rotation orbital polisher. You should still take great care when operating the machine in this setting by starting at a low speed. We recommend starting at 2 until you are more comfortable.

The Makita BO6040 Polisher comes with a one year factory warranty and a handy carrying case. It also comes with a wrench to remove the included 6” Hook & Loop backing plate.

The Makita BO6040 replaces two machines, making it a great value. If you do not currently own a buffer, or you are not sure if your vehicle’s scratches will come out with an ordinary dual-action polisher, the Makita BO6040 is an excellent choice. Start out with the random orbital setting and a low-cut polish. The general rule is if your fingernail catches the scratch, you’ll need to do some compounding to totally remove it. If the random orbital setting is not working, just turn the machine off, turn the orange knob, and turn the polisher back on. The orbital motion with forced rotation will level the scratch until it is completely eliminated.


If you only buy one polisher, make it the Makita BO6040 Dual-Action Polisher. This one machine will take care of all your detailing jobs, large or small, with just the turn of a knob.


  • 2-mode switch for "random orbit" action (finish sanding) and "random orbit with forced rotation" action (aggressive sanding and polishing)

  • Superior engineering and design reduces vibration by 20% and noise levels almost 2 to 1 over the competition

  • Variable speed control dial (1,600 - 5,800 OPM; 180 - 670 RPM) for various applications.

  • Compact tool height (5-3/16") increases efficiency and maneuverability.

  • Small diameter barrel grip for optimum comfort and control.

  • Uses convenient hook & loop abrasive sanding discs and accessories (hook & loop backing plate included).

  • Efficient through-the-pad dust collection system with built in dust port for a cleaner work environment.

  • Includes: 1 ea. Abrasive Disc (#120; 794610-1), Hex Wrench (783203-8), Rubber Pad (193286-4), Wrench Holder (410047-0) and Plastic Tool Case (824591-5).



Comes with a nice Plastic Tool Case too!


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One thing I like for the Flex 3401 is the new Hybrid 5" pads, they really enable a person to maximize the functionality of the Flex 3401


New 5" pads for 4" Backing Plate on Flex 3401



5" Hybrid Pads for the 4" backing plate on the Flex 3401!

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These new pads are not in stock yet but you can get a glimpse of them in action below....

Live Broadcast Video - 1965 Plymouth Valiant - Extreme Makeover


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Here's some still pictures I took from the Valiant Extreme Makeover with Justin using them...

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My friend and forum member Tom Risk tried them out, he said,


"They make using the Flex 3401 easier than any other pad"



Forum Member Tom Risk aka ShineTimeDetail visits Autogeek.net

Here's Tom using a 4.5" Hybrid Pad on the Flex 3401

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Stay tuned and if you're attending this weekend's Detailing Boot Camp you'll be some of the first people to get to try them out!


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Thanks Mike, I was just reading that thread, I remember the thread (or at least I remember the test panel, maybe you used it in another thread too), I guess I didn't remember what machine you used or thought the point of the thread was more about sanding marks and compounds.

At any rate, you state it's kind of wimpy in the DA mode which shoots down my argument for it being a "one tool fits all" solution...which is always a pipe dream no matter what the context.
 
Thanks Mike, I was just reading that thread, I remember the thread (or at least I remember the test panel, maybe you used it in another thread too), I guess I didn't remember what machine you used or thought the point of the thread was more about sanding marks and compounds.

At any rate, you state it's kind of wimpy in the DA mode which shoots down my argument for it being a "one tool fits all" solution...which is always a pipe dream no matter what the context.


Todd Helme recently used it in free spinning DA mode to sand so it's good for that, I tend to like to use the PC because it's smaller and easier to hold with one hand and I have a lot more time behind the PC using it for a dampsander than the BO6040

The free spinning DA Mode would be good for applying a finishing wax by machine.

I have not tried the BO6040 with the Griot's pads which are 7/8" thin and they might leverage the free spinning action of the tool better as would any thin pad like Microfiber and Surbuf pads.

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Cannot go wrong with the 3401. Easily one of the best tools you can have as a detailer. Very hard to mess up with this thing. I think it's this type of machine that really makes you appreciate the hard effort you put into detailing. Nothing better than a swirl free, hologram free finish.

I've been going to alot of meets and shows locally and I cannot enjoy these shows like I used to because almost every single car I see I want to take my Flex to the finish and help it out.
 
I love both of my Flex's, but there's still plenty room in my arsenal for my PC- I use it a lot with the brush attachment for carpets and with a black pad for spreading wax/sealant
 
I love both of my Flex's, but there's still plenty room in my arsenal for my PC- I use it a lot with the brush attachment for carpets and with a black pad for spreading wax/sealant


I agree.

So often the discussions about tools are about getting a single tool when in fact there's a time and place for different types of tools.

You can apply a finishing wax or sealant with a 3401 but for ease of use it's hard to beat a tool like the PC for one-handed holding when doing vertical sides.

And machine waxing beats hand waxing any day of the week.


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