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The internet's all in a tizzy the past few days thanks to a Wednesday ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco, which said that review site Yelp could manipulate its ratings for money.

So, say a small diner makes a big ad buy on the site, those extra dollars could maybe boost the diner's rating, thus potentially gaining it more customers. (This could be one way to explain the enduring popularity of the solidly mediocre Codmother Fish and Chips on Yelp's Top 100 list for San Francisco, but of course it's probably just that legions of Fisherman's Wharf tourists love the place.)

Yelp still swears up and down that it totally doesn't manipulate ratings, despite longtime accusations from business owners; it uses an automated process to surface restaurants and star ratings on the site yadda yadda yadda. And there is no hard evidence that it does engage in such behavior, either — all the court ruling said was say that such behavior wouldn't be illegal if the review site decided to try it.

The ruling obviously sucks for small business owners as the company could essentially extort them out of their money for better reviews (though the court noted that this practice was just "at most, hard bargaining," which I guess it is, in the cold-hearted logic of capitalism).

But it is a reminder that Yelp is a massive, publicly traded corporation whose goal is to make money. Yelp is not a public service, as much as we treat it as such sometimes. It is not just like getting a recommendation from a friend, as much as it positions itself that way. We have no rational reason to believe that the company will be 100 percent fair about business ratings and placement just because it seems like the right thing to do.

Take your Yelp reviews with a grain of salt from now on, as you should have been doing all along.

[via SF Chronicle]


Yelp Now Has Court Permission to Change Business Ratings for Money. Don't Forget It. | SFoodie | San Francisco | San Francisco News and Events | SF Weekly
 
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Yelp...Definitions:

noun:
-a sharp shrill, bark, or cry (as of a dog or turkey)
-squeal (as if in pain)

verb:
-to make a quick, high cry; or bark
-to utter a sharp quick shrill cry
(as when in pain)
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Seems like people are learning more towards Facebook page reviews now days anyway. No one besides dedicated Yelp users are going to bother to make an account just to post a review.
 
Yelp brings in big business for us, and i've only done a 6 month ad campaign with them 2 years ago.

The review filter is good in theory, but lacks the technical skill to actually filter reviews that are truly false or added by friends or employees. One newer company opened up their yelp and within 2 months had (7) 5 star reviews, and the context of some of those reviews even mentioned that they were friends with the owner, but none of them were filtered, which i found weird.

My business on the other hand, we dont solicit for reviews. We have a total of 36, 6 of them are filtered currently. But it seems that the review filter sometimes will re-search your reviews and either filter 1 or 2, or unfilter 1 or 2.. i guess depending on how the software feels for the day.

It also seems to heavily look at 5 star reviews versus 4 stars and less. Usually if a yelp user has only 1 review posted.. if it's a 5 star it's most definitely filtered until that user uses yelp more often. If it's a 4 star or less that review sticks like glue. in other words, it seems that the filter scrutinizes 5 star reviews more so than the rest.

They also average reviews out in their overall star rating, but round up or down. So for us they show us as 4.5 stars where our average is actually 4.7 or 4.8 (1 (1)star, 1 (3)star, (3) 4 stars, 23 (5) stars, 6 (5)stars filtered)

But another business is showing an average of 3 stars, but are more like 2.8

When looked at at a glance, we appear to be only 1.5 star apart, when it's actually about 2 stars apart. And if the reviews are actually read, they have a decent amount of 1 star reviews.

I also believe that if youre constantly checking your yelp page for reviews and tips and stuff, they will more frequently pass that review filter over your reviews. Versus business that dont look at their reviews have a lower filtered rate than others.

For example the local mall has about 100 reviews and only like 3 reviews are filtered. The mall responds to none of the reviews which leads me to believe it's not monitored. But a business that responds to reviews and monitors and updtes their listing, will have a much higher rate of filtered reviews than ones that dont.

Over-all I much rather have a yelp that doesnt filter reviews, but allows for paid increases in the business visibility than what we have now. Versus one where theres no way to know, noone can explain what makes a review get filtered, and no way to prove that the filter is biased.
 
I love Yelp, it is our main business driver and I have not given them a dime. They have tried, but with 77 5 stars and 2 one star, I pretty much tell them to pound sand. Not one is fake or paid for, although people have tried to extort us.
On top of it, all of my reviews are novels, I have very few one - two sentences.

Bottom line do a great job, take it one customer at a time as though they were the only you have today and Yelp will be your friend, do a half fast job and be prepared to get hit. You can't please everyone, but if you do an incredible job for each customer, and they are ecstatic about your work you win, cut corners or take on something you don't know what to do with, be prepared to lose.
I am in a very high end town of Silicon Valley with a vast majority in the multiple 6-7 figure incomes and are very demanding. I have had customers spend over an hour in my driveway looking over their car looking for flaws and did not find them.
But I have just started advertising on Facebook and have picked up a few reviews there... all positive, so the journey of awesome work continues.
 
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