FUNX650
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This sucks!!!!!
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hernandez.art13
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This made me think of Meguiar's Black wax and Meguiar's White wax.
swanicyouth
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You can still use OC 2.0, which is less $$$ than CGs coating and also longer lasting.
What warranty is CGs giving you?
Andr3wilson
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Bob,
To colour match cosmic we need your paint code and vehicle model. (As you may know not all paint codes correspond to one paint colour). The base of the product is tinted to the colour of the vehicle, then the wax flakes are tinted to best compliment the colour.
As far as effecting the original clear coat, there are no permanent effects or staining. Just colour intensity.
As far as purchase, because you are in the US, Travis Kent will help you out. [email protected]
Here's an example on my Lexus View attachment 21887
To colour match cosmic we need your paint code and vehicle model. (As you may know not all paint codes correspond to one paint colour). The base of the product is tinted to the colour of the vehicle, then the wax flakes are tinted to best compliment the colour.
As far as effecting the original clear coat, there are no permanent effects or staining. Just colour intensity.
As far as purchase, because you are in the US, Travis Kent will help you out. [email protected]
Here's an example on my Lexus View attachment 21887
zmcgovern45
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I carry a $1,000,000 business policy and pay ~$30/mo... if you can't afford $30-$60/mo in insurance, you should be charging more for your services.
I only do a couple of cars a month, but I would not ever want to be without insurance when I am touching someone else's vehicle... especially their $100,000+ vehicle. It is just common sense... cover your own butt - it is a small price to pay in the event that something happens someday and you are stuck with the full bill for the repair work.
As far as the coatings... both CQF and OCPro require you to be fully insured before they allow you to become an authorized installer, so it is not like OPT is the only one with that rule. Both manufacturers also have a "minimum advertised price" rule that you must agree to uphold if you are an authorized installer.
I just recently became an OC Pro installer and was not made aware of any of the changes mentioned previously. I was told the 5 year warranty is good for any vehicle that is less than 5 years old and the lifetime warranty is good for brand new vehicles, however installers do not have to sell the product with a warranty if they do not wish to since a "warranty kit" is more expensive than a standard tube of OC Pro.
I still push CQF for most clients, but OC Pro is a great option for daily driven vehicles that require the longest lasting protection.
I only do a couple of cars a month, but I would not ever want to be without insurance when I am touching someone else's vehicle... especially their $100,000+ vehicle. It is just common sense... cover your own butt - it is a small price to pay in the event that something happens someday and you are stuck with the full bill for the repair work.
As far as the coatings... both CQF and OCPro require you to be fully insured before they allow you to become an authorized installer, so it is not like OPT is the only one with that rule. Both manufacturers also have a "minimum advertised price" rule that you must agree to uphold if you are an authorized installer.
I just recently became an OC Pro installer and was not made aware of any of the changes mentioned previously. I was told the 5 year warranty is good for any vehicle that is less than 5 years old and the lifetime warranty is good for brand new vehicles, however installers do not have to sell the product with a warranty if they do not wish to since a "warranty kit" is more expensive than a standard tube of OC Pro.
I still push CQF for most clients, but OC Pro is a great option for daily driven vehicles that require the longest lasting protection.
FUNX650
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-I understand that paint codes vary between paint suppliers.
-I understand some of the technology behind the wax-tinting/mixing-in-the-flakes process.
-What I don't understand is how applying a film-layer of this now determined to be: colour matching wax, atop a CC paint-film...
would not, in effect: hide/mute/occlude/blanket/etc. the BC-color from being able to appear through First: the CC; Then: This colour matching wax.
I know it sounds like I'd rather not have to depend on a color matching wax
to be the color that I, and others, will be viewing as the color of my vehicle.
But...Once this wax degrades and eventually is completely eroded away...
I suppose I'd still have the underlying BC/CC paint-system left as witness to the vehicle's original color scheme.
Uh Oh...
With that kind of reasoning...Have I talked myself into chancing this COSMIC product?!?!
BTW: Thanks for Travis' email.
I just never know what I'll do next!
Bob
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Andr3wilson
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-I understand that paint codes vary between paint suppliers.
-I understand some of the technology behind the wax-tinting/mixing-in-the-flakes process.
-What I don't understand is how applying a film-layer of this now determined to be: colour matching wax, atop a CC paint-film...
would not, in effect: hide/mute/occlude/blanket/etc. the BC-color from being able to appear through First: the CC; Then: This colour matching wax.
I know it sounds like I'd rather not have to depend on a color matching wax
to be the color that I, and others, will be viewing as the color of my vehicle.
But...Once this wax degrades and eventually is completely eroded away...
I suppose I'd still have the underlying BC/CC paint-system left as witness to the vehicle's original color scheme.
Uh Oh...
With that kind of reasoning...Have I talked myself into chancing this COSMIC product?!?!
BTW: Thanks for Travis' email.
I just never know what I'll do next!
Bob
Bob,
Remember this is a paint coating, not an actual wax. Its closer to a sealant than a wax. Wax flakes are added to give a deeper glow. In my experience, I have yet to see this product diminish/mute the metallic.
Being that this is a coating, it is the only coating on the market (to my knowledge) that has be tested by a 3rd party to have a true 9H coating. Here is the test results.
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/02...53407_17342_POLISHANGEL_ISO_15184_de.pdf?2807
(apologize about the German, not much I can do there)
So to answer your question about the product wearing off, winter driven DDs have a 2 year life, stuff that is garaged is even longer! A 50ml bottle has about 3-4 applications in it, so in theory you can layer it or put another coating on every year.
Give it a try, you will appreciate the product!
ArkayoDeetayo
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so you will dump their "hole line" (which works perfectly well, above most standards) simply because they won't sell you OC pro? seems like a childish approach...
you will be moving to CG (most products are average at best, best being the soaps)...that also do not give you any warranty
Second skin has not been tested long term (where OC has), and would not be surprised if the CG coating fails to meet its advertised hype...
you will be giving CG more of your "bizz" just to spite OPT...in an attempt to make it seem like they wronged you...
but you being a "part time detailer" that "cannot afford" the higher insurances (25-50/month max), I don't think CG is going to be getting that much more profit from your "bizz" nor is OPT going to be losing money from your "bizz" either...
FUNX650
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Thanks for the "testing link"!
What I gleaned from it was that:
The listed third party ran this investigative method on Glasscoat COSMIC 9H:
Pencil Hardness [after (by)] ISO 15184...
by using an Elcometer as the investigative equipment.
The results of this investigation was that there was:
-No visible scratch track (kratzspur nicht sichtbar)
Daggone good results!!
Bob
Andr3wilson
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Thanks for the "testing link"!
What I gleaned from it was that:
The listed third party ran this investigative method on Glasscoat COSMIC 9H:
Pencil Hardness [after (by)] ISO 15184...
by using an Elcometer as the investigative equipment.
The results of this investigation was that there was:
-No visible scratch track (kratzspur nicht sichtbar)
Daggone good results!!
Bob
Sure is! I can attest to its hardness. A recent Lexus I did, I missed a small section of holograms (heavy compounding with the PA wool pad), so I had to go back and polish, I could feel the coating on the CC. It's a really good coating!
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Just found this thread, sorry I'm a bit late to the game.
Wanted to comment on the color-matched Cosmic.
Here is a bottle for my car, which I haven't used yet.
On the idea that it would mute metallic flake... I thought that might be the case at first also but after using color-matched Cosmic on this IS-F, I found that it gave more 'pop' to the flake & pearl.
Even when not it direct light, there seemed to still be hints of pearl
Wanted to comment on the color-matched Cosmic.
Here is a bottle for my car, which I haven't used yet.
On the idea that it would mute metallic flake... I thought that might be the case at first also but after using color-matched Cosmic on this IS-F, I found that it gave more 'pop' to the flake & pearl.
Even when not it direct light, there seemed to still be hints of pearl
Seems to me like Opt is moving towards being a dealership applied product. The new lifetime warranty is only when the car is brand new at the dealership. So either the dealership has to have pro detailers installing OC, or the dealership has to subcontract to an authorized Opt detailer. Annual inspections need to be at the dealership as well.
The price of OC pro has gone up, used to be $100 for 40cc's and now i think its $200?? (i forget exactly)
What bothers me most about the new OC pro agreement, is that on warranty, all labor is to be covered by the installing detailer and OC will only supply replacement product. That means, lets say a customer gets road bombed by some chemical that damages the paint, the detailers covers all costs to fix the issue, and Opt supplies the product for re-application. This makes no sense to me, what's the point of selling the warranty? and what's the point of the warranty if you'll be paying to fix the problem anyways? I dont want to be on the hook for 5+ years to be polishing out someones car.
I've been working with a customer of mine & Dupont. Cust had the paint coating applied at the dealership and its failed. Cust requested I do the correction since the dealership no longer does the dupont. I called them and they authorized me $400 to fix the problem, and free product to re-apply. Took about 30 mins on the phone. IMO THAT is what a warranty is for, to pay for things not just throw the liability on someone else.
The price of OC pro has gone up, used to be $100 for 40cc's and now i think its $200?? (i forget exactly)
What bothers me most about the new OC pro agreement, is that on warranty, all labor is to be covered by the installing detailer and OC will only supply replacement product. That means, lets say a customer gets road bombed by some chemical that damages the paint, the detailers covers all costs to fix the issue, and Opt supplies the product for re-application. This makes no sense to me, what's the point of selling the warranty? and what's the point of the warranty if you'll be paying to fix the problem anyways? I dont want to be on the hook for 5+ years to be polishing out someones car.
I've been working with a customer of mine & Dupont. Cust had the paint coating applied at the dealership and its failed. Cust requested I do the correction since the dealership no longer does the dupont. I called them and they authorized me $400 to fix the problem, and free product to re-apply. Took about 30 mins on the phone. IMO THAT is what a warranty is for, to pay for things not just throw the liability on someone else.
Another +1 for considering insurance before doing ANYTHING professional. A lot of people misunderstand what it's for. It's not JUST for potential damage to a clients car. But, let's say your client gets into a car accident on the way home. They are severely injured. They have determined that you somehow damaged something that caused the accident. After investigation, you win the lawsuit. You didn't cause the accident. You were not in any way responsible. But, on average, you'd have just spent $100,000 in legal fees. Now imagine if you lost the case?
There's a million other examples of cases that could cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars. Small repairs to a customers car from damage will be out of your pocket anyway, that's not what the liability insurance is for!
Just my $0.02.
There's a million other examples of cases that could cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars. Small repairs to a customers car from damage will be out of your pocket anyway, that's not what the liability insurance is for!
Just my $0.02.