Thumbs Down on LC HT Pads

CM8 6MT said:
I notice the same thing. I use a 3.5 LC plate for my 4" Megs pads. I really have to use some effort to get them off.

On my Megs plates, the pads come off easy when needed. You can also tell the quality difference in a Megs plate vs an LC plate. Hence, wont be buying any more LC plates in the future.
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I am a little confused. You seem to be extolling the virtues of LC but end-up saying you won't buy them anymore.
 
Artbuc said:
I am a little confused. You seem to be extolling the virtues of LC but end-up saying you won't buy them anymore.
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LoL whaa?? I said I wont be buying LC plates anymore because IMO they grab on unecesarily too hard onto any pad's backing.

Not that I had an issue with my pads backing delaminating, but I dont want to start. I still use LC pads, gray at least they are available OTC and do a good job with LSP's.

For better quality & faster correction, Megs pads & backing plates all day, any day, with a Rotary, or a DA.
 
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CM8 6MT said:
LoL whaa?? I said I wont be buying LC plates anymore because IMO they grab on unecesarily too hard onto any pad's backing.

Not that I had an issue with my pads backing delaminating, but I dont want to start. I still use LC pads, gray at least they are available OTC and do a good job with LSP's.

For better quality & faster correction, Megs pads & backing plates all day, any day, with a Rotary, or a DA.
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What Meg pad would (or do) you use with Meg UC? I just did my 99 Avalon with UC and the LC cyan and was very pleased except for the fact the pad kept coming off my DA. Do you like the Meg MF pads, especially the ones that come in the Correction System? Thanks.
 
Artbuc said:
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What Meg pad would (or do) you use with Meg UC? I just did my 99 Avalon with UC and the LC cyan and was very pleased except for the fact the pad kept coming off my DA. Do you like the Meg MF pads, especially the ones that come in the Correction System? Thanks.
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Really the Cyan pad came off your DA? Where you using an LC backing plate? I recommend you stay within brands when using pads. LC plates with LC pads etc.

I use the W8006 pad with UC. If you need to go aggresive, use a MF disc from either Megs or Optimum with D300. If you need an extra boost in cutting power, you can add a few drops of M105. Theres not many paint systems out there that D300 cant correct down, & also follow up with a finishing polish with a foam pad.

I dont recall who exactly but I remember someone stating you can also use Menzerna polishes with MF discs as well. Theres many ways to go about it, but the goal is always the same: high gloss swirl free finish.
 
I've never heard or even seen of a thread with this much negativity toeards LC. I think they are premium quality and I have zero complaints about LC. I haven't used LC micros because I have been happy with the megs micros since the system came out so I can't offer my opinion. Maybe my only issue with LC is the HT don't have a long life but therestill great.
 
I might be in the minority here, but I will stick with the LC flat pads. They are excellent value for the money and work great for me.
 
jlax2485 said:
I might be in the minority here, but I will stick with the LC flat pads. They are excellent value for the money and work great for me.
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They have worked awesome for me too. They last forever it seems. I have yet to have one that I need to stop using.
 
jlax2485 said:
I might be in the minority here, but I will stick with the LC flat pads. They are excellent value for the money and work great for me.
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Im with you as well. I have been using the Meguiars soft buff 2.0 pads and although I do like them I find that the 5.5 Hydrotech pads are much better suited to the traditional DA such as Meguiar's G110v2. The smaller thinner pad rotates so much better than the big thick 7 inch soft buff pads. Besides, using the Meguiars mf disc in 5 inch diameter and then following that with say M205 on a black W9207 finishing pad is kind of a let down considering you just spent so much time with the 5 inch disc that now you have to adjust your path and technique to use the big 7 inch pad. I find that swapping over to the crimson hydrotech pad makes life much easier.

But hey thats my opinion.
 
I wouldn't discount the Meguiar's 7" Softbuff 2.0 pads. They are awesome and very high quality pads. Meguiar's wouldn't design them like that and recommend them for their G110v2 if they didn't work.

I don't think that the 7" Softbuff 2.0 pads make polishing inefficient. I think that stereotype came from the first generation PC7424 or G100 being less powerful and detailers were using 6.5" pads with them.

Here's what I wrote in a separate thread before:
Marc08EX said:
I think that the problem with the 6.5" pads being too big only applied in the old PC7424 and maybe the PC7424XP. If you have a GG6 or a G110v2, you shouldn't have a problem because those 2 machines have a very powerful and capable motor. I don't think I would have a problem using the 6.5" with those machines if I didn't have a choice.

Another problem is that the height of the 6.5" inches is a lot higher than the 5.5" pads. The increased volume of the pad requires the machine more power to move the pad. From this thread (http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/how-articles/27166-how-maximize-your-da-polisher.html), the 5.5" LC flat pads measure 7/8" high. I think the 6.5" LC flat pads would measure 1 1/4" high (not in that thread).

Per that argument, you would think that the 7" Softbuff 2.0 pads from Meguiar's would even require more power than the 6.5" LC pads based solely on the pad diameter. But IMO, this is a flawed argument. When you look at the Softbuff 2.0 pads, the center of the pad is recessed to allow the W68DA backing plate to self-center. Only the outer 0.5" of the pad has full height. Everything else has half (approximately) the thickness of the foam pad. This IMO has less the volume of the 6.5" pad therefore making it easier to move and rotate from the DA.

I've done a lot of correction using the W8207 Softbuff 2.0 polishing pad with either M105, Ultimate Compound or M205 without any problems. If the DA wasn't rotating the pad enough then I wouldn't be achieving the results I've been getting when I used them with my G110v2.

Just my $0.02.
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I actually like the Lake Country HydroTech pads. I am still experimenting, but they have been working well for me right now.
 
In all honesty I think Meguiar's should release their foam pads in 5.5" size.
 
A lot of people have been asking Meguiar's for a few years now the same question. I believe you were one of them right? I know I have as well as Marc08EX as well as others.

I would like to see a soft buff 3.0 in 5.5x7/8 size.
 
Today I had a chance to finally put use my HT (low profile) I just ordered.

One stepper - FG400 - Cyan pad.

I wasn't to impressed with the results. It was an older Sequoia with heavy swirls and light oxidation. Cyan pad had a hard time really cutting out the swirls.

Went back to the LC flat high gloss orange pad. Much better!

Everything has a time and a place!
 
Andr3wilson said:
Today I had a chance to finally put use my HT (low profile) I just ordered.

One stepper - FG400 - Cyan pad.

I wasn't to impressed with the results. It was an older Sequoia with heavy swirls and light oxidation. Cyan pad had a hard time really cutting out the swirls.

Went back to the LC flat high gloss orange pad. Much better!

Everything has a time and a place!
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Which machine Andrew? Were you able to one step with that combo?
 
smack said:
Which machine Andrew? Were you able to one step with that combo?
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It was the 3401, haven't had a chance to get the PE14 worked out yet :(

The Cyan wasn't cutting enough, so I went to the High Gloss Constant Pressure Flat Orange pad which has turned out to be by far my preferred pad on the 3401. I believe the combination of heavy swirls and oxidation clogged up the Cyan pad fast (i don't have much experience with these ones yet).

As far as one stepping yes and no, about 75-80% removal. The customer wants to sell it, so a major full correction was not in order, just enough to be very tidy and glossy. Not to mention it is light silver so you can get away with it. :xyxthumbs:

Gotta say.. Sequoias are reeaally big
 
Cutting ability: Megs MF > LC MF
Finishing: Megs MF > LC MF
Longevity: LC MF > Megs MF

My megs MF's delaminated after a few uses. So far this hasnt happened on my LC pads, HOWEVER the LC MF pads dont get as much use because they cut like crap IMO.
 
jrs1418 said:
Cutting ability: Megs MF > LC MF
Finishing: Megs MF > LC MF
Longevity: LC MF > Megs MF

My megs MF's delaminated after a few uses. So far this hasnt happened on my LC pads, HOWEVER the LC MF pads dont get as much use because they cut like crap IMO.
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I wouldnt say LC pads cut like crap, but they defenitely dont cut as fast or finish down as nice as Megs pads, foam or mf dics.

Personally, I havent had the delamination issue on any of my Megs pads, but then again I use Megs backing plates on them and buy them direct. Sometimes other suppliers still have old stock left that they continue selling.

IMO you cant get better foam pads than Meguiar's or B&S pads.

My detail mentor uses Megs pads exclusively, he also uses a combination of Meguiars & Menzerna products. Hes only a 6 time winner at the Pebble Beach Concours D' Elegance show, so I doubt he knows what hes talking about :)
 
What I like about detailing discussion forums is how a topic is discussed in-depth and everyone contributes their experience and their opinion and while a forum consensus is usually arrived at there will always be people that prefer brand x over brand y. And there's nothing wrong with this that's just how humans are.


Kind of like Coke versus Pepsi


The best thing I like is how an in-depth discussion can take place, everyone can voice their opinion and do it in a mature and professional manner.

When someone asks me which pad is my favorite, it's usually the same answer as to which microfiber towel is my favorite and the answer is...

The closest one to my hand...


At the end of the day, whatever gets you to your goal is what's most important...


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