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Ahh. Sorry I see. I guess I need to go visit him and get some coffee. Too early.
 
Here is my favorite Canadian joke (and I can laugh because I am Canadian and it does apply to me)

What is the difference between a Canadian and a canoe???..... you have more chance of tipping from a canoe!!

It is funny how you see that the argument is developing that a "service" should be tipped but a product should not. Does this mean that we have a legitimate expectation to receive a tip, as detailers, because we provide a service??.... and if we don't receive one we should mistreat the customer, or customer's property (or somehow get retribution at their expense by putting sugar in their tank, etc..)?

I've heard the argument before that you tip at a restaurant to make sure that they don't spit in your food (or worst). I've rarely seen waiters/waitresses that were genuinely happy with their choice of employment, so the size of the tip (or a tip period) won't fix their crabby attitude. I think the acronym that was shared before regarding T.I.P.S. serves as a reminder to be prompt, courteous, etc... but does not give the one at the receiving end of a tip the right to judge the ones that do not tip.

How would you react to the following scenario. A family of 4, with 2 hard working parent barely able to make ends meet, decide to splurge and reward themselves by going to a dine in restaurant (even though they can't really afford it), and choose to split entrees, drink water and barely have enough on hand to pay the bill and can't really leave a 20% tip. Would your position be:

1) Stay at home (in your rut) until you can bring the family to a place you can afford and make sure to have the tip?
OR
2) I will be glad to serve and bring a sliver of happiness in your heart and treat you like royalty despite the fact that you cannot really afford it?

Here is another question to ponder on....My primary occupation is in the service industry (being a physical therapist). Should I expect a tip in addition to my primary salary? or a tip no longer applicable because I CHOSE to improve my condition by going to school and becoming a white collar professional?
 
dirtdestroyer said:
It's the principle and moral issue not just coffee. How much do you tip the guys at AG for packing your order or handling tech questions? There is no way you tip everyone on a starbucks income.
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Oh but I do. The bucks isn't my only source of income pal. I'm a certified personal trainer, I keep my employment there for the dirt cheap insurance.


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Aingoi10207 said:
Oh but I do. The bucks isn't my only source of income pal. I'm a certified personal trainer, I keep my employment there for the dirt cheap insurance.


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So what do you tip AG then? I'm also a succesful CSCS with my own business, I don't change my service based on tips or no tips (though I did get a $500 tip last year when one of my clients placed at nationals) Even at $50-$80 an hour I can't see someone affording to tip everyone they interact with business wise.
 
Can we get a tip jar button here on AG?

If anyone ever likes any of my posts or reviews, please feel free to PM me for my info to send me a tip.
 
Dr_Pain said:
Here is my favorite Canadian joke (and I can laugh because I am Canadian and it does apply to me)

What is the difference between a Canadian and a canoe???..... you have more chance of tipping from a canoe!!

It is funny how you see that the argument is developing that a "service" should be tipped but a product should not. Does this mean that we have a legitimate expectation to receive a tip, as detailers, because we provide a service??.... and if we don't receive one we should mistreat the customer, or customer's property (or somehow get retribution at their expense by putting sugar in their tank, etc..)?

I've heard the argument before that you tip at a restaurant to make sure that they don't spit in your food (or worst). I've rarely seen waiters/waitresses that were genuinely happy with their choice of employment, so the size of the tip (or a tip period) won't fix their crabby attitude. I think the acronym that was shared before regarding T.I.P.S. serves as a reminder to be prompt, courteous, etc... but does not give the one at the receiving end of a tip the right to judge the ones that do not tip.

How would you react to the following scenario. A family of 4, with 2 hard working parent barely able to make ends meet, decide to splurge and reward themselves by going to a dine in restaurant (even though they can't really afford it), and choose to split entrees, drink water and barely have enough on hand to pay the bill and can't really leave a 20% tip. Would your position be:

1) Stay at home (in your rut) until you can bring the family to a place you can afford and make sure to have the tip?
OR
2) I will be glad to serve and bring a sliver of happiness in your heart and treat you like royalty despite the fact that you cannot really afford it?

Here is another question to ponder on....My primary occupation is in the service industry (being a physical therapist). Should I expect a tip in addition to my primary salary? or a tip no longer applicable because I CHOSE to improve my condition by going to school and becoming a white collar professional?
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I think tipping CAN be given for a service but not a product, but not that it SHOULD or MUST be given.

When I can't afford to tip, I order take out from a restaurant. I'm not sitting at their tables taking up space, and I'm not forcing them to wash dishes or wait on me, so I don't tip for take out ever.
There was an occasion I couldn't afford to tip and the waitress asked me if there was a problem with the service and I embarrassingly had to say I couldn't afford it. I only had enough to pay the bill. That is when I realized I should get take out from the restaurant instead.
As far as which service professions get tips, they are usually cash businesses. As long as you are giving cash, I suppose the idea is that since it is in hand, and if the person did an outstanding job, it is an opportunity to give a little extra as a thank you.
For this reason, health professionals usually don't get tips, although if the doctor takes cash because he patches up gunshot or stabbing victims without reporting it, and is being paid cash, I can see how they might get tipped for a job well done.
 
Interesting discussion, all.

I have nothing to contribute other than I am generous to a fault for most employees of the service industry, as a former restaurant employee myself.

BUT, service dictates my additional 'compensation'.. crap service/attitude/etc, crap 'compensation'.

Excellent service - and that can even be as simple, as someone stated above, as providing my child a piece of candy or coloring book or something else to focus on while i get my hair cut, will get better 'compensation'. going above and beyond in that case.

Tip jars for doing nothing (i.e. not providing a service, just product), is ridiculous, and I lean more toward Swanic's use of them.

Please continue the discussion. Thanks!
 
Aingoi10207 said:
Oh but I do. The bucks isn't my only source of income pal. I'm a certified personal trainer, I keep my employment there for the dirt cheap insurance.


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Then you don't tip everyone on your Starbucks income.
 
dirtdestroyer said:
So what do you tip AG then? I'm also a succesful CSCS with my own business, I don't change my service based on tips or no tips (though I did get a $500 tip last year when one of my clients placed at nationals) Even at $50-$80 an hour I can't see someone affording to tip everyone they interact with business wise.
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I'm not saying EVERY business interaction. Just those that are appropriate/possible too, such as a coffee shop, restaurant, lawn service, delivery service, etc. Obviously there's no way to tip an online service


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Aingoi10207 said:
I keep my employment there for the dirt cheap insurance
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Sorry about that!
Could this be another fine example of the way that some folks
have to work, because ObamaCare does not?

Aingoi10207 said:
I'm a certified personal trainer,
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Just curious...
Is: Aingoi the gurgling-sound some trainees are heard to emit when a weighted bar-bell has mysteriously come to rest (temporarily) on their throats? :eek: Surely it wouldn't be related with their tipping-habits? :D


Bob
 
Aingoi10207 said:
I'm not saying EVERY business interaction. Just those that are appropriate/possible too, such as a coffee shop, restaurant, lawn service, delivery service, etc. Obviously there's no way to tip an online service


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PM or call Nick, I'm more than sure he could arrange a way for you to give him money. Honestly that guy does a job that is actualy tip-worthy.

My point is just that tips are earned by providing a service beyond what you are paid to provide, the base service is covered by wages. If I were to tip into your tip jar and it was split by hours worked even that makes it a weird subsidy because someone could work and be a shitty employee yet earn money from others who provide great service.
 
dirtdestroyer said:
My point is just that tips are earned by providing a service beyond what you are paid to provide, the base service is covered by wages. If I were to tip into your tip jar and it was split by hours worked even that makes it a weird subsidy because someone could work and be a shitty employee yet earn money from others who provide great service.
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This I agree with. I've heard that from quite a few people, actually, saying they only like a few of us at the store and don't want to contribute to the other less than adequate employees.



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Aingoi10207 said:
This I agree with. I've heard that from quite a few people, actually, saying they only like a few of us at the store and don't want to contribute to the other less than adequate employees.



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In my experience this is handled in the service industry with the allotment of hours. Full time may mean 30 hours and that only goes to the BEST employees. The rest may get 2 6 hour shifts totaling 12. So if it totals out to $1/hour per employee they will get $12 vs $30. I understand it's a ratio thing but usually the 12 hour employee doesn't last long.

Also from a management stand point, it would likely cost you money if you allowed employees in this environment to take tips directly. Then someone would likely always get an upgrade in size or something, costing the company more money, in return for a regular tip.
 
Aingoi10207 said:
This I agree with. I've heard that from quite a few people, actually, saying they only like a few of us at the store and don't want to contribute to the other less than adequate employees.



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If that is in fact the case, how do you reconcile the existence of those tip jars on the counter, the proceeds of which, to be generally distributed as a policy, and moreover, how do you justify your argument that people should put money in it or get decaf, and "it's only coffee?"
 
Blackthorn One said:
If that is in fact the case, how do you reconcile the existence of those tip jars on the counter, the proceeds of which, to be generally distributed as a policy, and moreover, how do you justify your argument that people should put money in it or get decaf, and "it's only coffee?"
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I specifically said "drop a tip or at least say please and thank you" because the decaf button is reserved for outright rudeness (no greeting, no please or thank you, not putting their damn cell phone down while they order, things like that); not necessarily whether they tipped or not. For the reason discussed above that some may not want certain people benefiting from their generosity.


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Aingoi10207 said:
I specifically said "drop a tip or at least say please and thank you" because the decaf button is reserved for outright rudeness (no greeting, no please or thank you, not putting their damn cell phone down while they order, things like that); not necessarily whether they tipped or not. For the reason discussed above that some may not want certain people benefiting from their generosity.


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Do you keep a spit cup off to the side reserved for that 'special customer'?
 
Aingoi10207 said:
I specifically said "drop a tip or at least say please and thank you" because the decaf button is reserved for outright rudeness (no greeting, no please or thank you, not putting their damn cell phone down while they order, things like that); not necessarily whether they tipped or not. For the reason discussed above that some may not want certain people benefiting from their generosity.


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The base service is covered by the wage, the base service is getting the product you order not decaf. Why do you have the right to change the product given? How does your employer feel about this?

Though I don't agree with being rude what you are doing when you do that is BEYOND rude, it's illegal much like replacing a on tap keg with a different kind of beer in a bar when you run out (it happens).
 
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