Tire dressing help

[Setec Astronomy]

Funny experience with the Opti-bond as an example:

It's funny how tire experiences seem to be so subjective. I have two cars outside that, because it's winter, probably haven't had the tires dressed since November, but they don't look that bad. One has Optimum Tire Shine, and the other DG 253. Why do they not look that bad? Because they haven't really turned brown. Why is that? I'm not sure...is it the age of the tires? Is it the cleaner I've been using? On one of them I used Tuff Shine cleaner last time (can't remember which car), which really seemed to work a lot better than my usual OPC 3:1. Is it the temperature? Or is it the dressings? I mention this because OPT Tire Shine is supposed to have the same ingredient as Opti-Bond (although they seem very different), yet you have terrible experiences with Opti-Bond.

I just don't seem to have the browning problems I used to have...whatever the reason.

 

[Desertnate]

If we are talking browning, I've seen it with both the Opti-Bond and the 253. In all honestly, the 253 seemed to cause the browning of the tires more than the Opti-bond, but since the 253 lasted far longer than Opti-bond, the additional browning really wasn't a big deal due to not seeing it very often.

The conditions I described was the tire dressing washing off leaving the tire with the weathered untreated look and not the dark, like-new, appearance we like to maintain.

I think the rubber compound of the tire is a big variable in these discussions; maybe a bigger one than even weather or prep. I found 253 to work pretty well on about any tire I've owned EXCEPT for a set of Continential DSW 06's I use as my winter tires. The product almost beads up and runs off, even after several years. It seemed to work well on just about every other brand/type of tire, to include other Conti's. To Opti-Bond's credit, the application is more constistant across every tire I've tried compared to 253, to include the pesky DSW 06's, but the final appearance once dry and durablity consistantly falls far short of 253.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

I think the browning has a lot to do with the age of the tire, seems when tires are newer there is more anti-ozonant to leach out, plus some cleaners and some dressings seem to draw it out more.

 

[Cruzscarwash]

So when I bought my new tires a year ago or so I decided I wasn't going to use any tire shine on them. What I have noticed is they have never browned, ever. I just wash them normally or spray them off and they are good. They don't have a shine but they also never brown and never have to really be scrubbed, a lot of them time I can just pressure wash them clean. So now I don't think I'll ever go back to using tire shines again.

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[Setec Astronomy]

So when I bought my new tires a year ago or so I decided I wasn't going to use any tire shine on them. What I have noticed is they have never browned, ever. I just wash them normally or spray them off and they are good. They don't have a shine but they also never brown and never have to really be scrubbed, a lot of them time I can just pressure wash them clean. So now I don't think I'll ever go back to using tire shines again.

Yeah, as I was saying, a lot of dressings seem to exacerbate the browning...maybe that's why mine aren't brown--they haven't been dressed in 3 months! Seriously though, if I ever use up my tire dressings I'm going to go with one of the "clear" coatings.

 

[Bill D]

Maybe you can use them on the wells too to speed up their use.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Maybe you can use them on the wells too to speed up their use.

Shoot Bill, I haven't dressed any wells in...I can't even remember. But even if I was dressing wells, I have other stuff for that. It's ok though, I'm on track to use up my tire dressings in around 2024...

 

[PA DETAILER]

I have much love for #253. When I used it on the Xterra it provided perfect results each and every time. And my biggest pet peeve NO SLING! With the aggressive Duratracs on the ZR2, if spring ever gets here, I will be using #253 with the flagged tipped brush method to apply it. Cant wait to see how this method is going to work out for me.

https://www.autogeekonline.net/foru...-hd-tires.html?highlight=flagged+tipped+brush

 

[fly07sti]

I have much love for #253. When I used it on the Xterra it provided perfect results each and every time. And my biggest pet peeve NO SLING! With the aggressive Duratracs on the ZR2, if spring ever gets here, I will be using #253 with the flagged tipped brush method to apply it. Cant wait to see how this method is going to work out for me.

https://www.autogeekonline.net/foru...-hd-tires.html?highlight=flagged+tipped+brush

Have you used the Griot’s Satin aerosol yet?

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

I thought browning came from silicon in dressing. Was gonna by griots satin but it’s silicon based. Ended just getting their tire and rubber cleaner (mild) and foaming tire cleaner (aggressive). Foamer for first deep cleaning and T&R to maintain. Using Perl for now but going to use tac system tire coating here soon. Wonder if coating can be topped with Perl?


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[WristyManchego]

So when I bought my new tires a year ago or so I decided I wasn't going to use any tire shine on them. What I have noticed is they have never browned, ever. I just wash them normally or spray them off and they are good. They don't have a shine but they also never brown and never have to really be scrubbed, a lot of them time I can just pressure wash them clean. So now I don't think I'll ever go back to using tire shines again.

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The man speaks the truth.

Yes tyres brown from their off gassing but they also react to tyre shines, either the silicones or other particular carrier solvents that may be in the condition.

The range of experiences people have with browning are down to three things; the type of dressing, the brand of tyre and most importantly, the cleanliness.

I’d hazard a guess that most people don’t clean their tyres properly as a spray on spray off product does diddly squat. A good quality APC and hard scrubbing is the only way.

 

[Coatingsarecrack]

hazard a guess that most people don’t clean their tyres properly as a spray on spray off product does diddly squat. A good quality APC and hard scrubbing is the only way.[/QUOTE]

I e heard APC is not good as it dries out tires. How long have been using APC?


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[Eldorado2k]

The man speaks the truth.

Yes tyres brown from their off gassing but they also react to tyre shines, either the silicones or other particular carrier solvents that may be in the condition.

The range of experiences people have with browning are down to three things; the type of dressing, the brand of tyre and most importantly, the cleanliness.

I’d hazard a guess that most people don’t clean their tyres properly as a spray on spray off product does diddly squat. A good quality APC and hard scrubbing is the only way.

You forgot 1. Tire cleaners/APC’s themselves can cause blooming if they’re too aggressive of a cleaner on any given tire.

Here’s a tire after being scubbed cleaned 3 times. I guess some people would be happy with that.

Not me. I prefer my tires to look like this.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

You forgot 1. Tire cleaners/APC’s themselves can cause blooming if they’re too aggressive of a cleaner on any given tire.

Yeah, it's such a fine line between cleaning the tire enough, but not cleaning it so much you leach out more anti-ozonant. And it depends on the age of the tire, the make, and the purpose...I've got some snowflake-on-the-mountain winter tires that were just crazy with browning when they were new, but they've calmed down somewhat now that they're older--unless it's the cleaners and dressings I'm using now leach less out of the tire. And I've noticed, as Wristy stated, that some dressings seem to encourage the browning also--maybe that's on purpose, to get you to use it more often? I'm joking--I think.

 

[Eldorado2k]

Yeah, it's such a fine line between cleaning the tire enough, but not cleaning it so much you leach out more anti-ozonant. And it depends on the age of the tire, the make, and the purpose...I've got some snowflake-on-the-mountain winter tires that were just crazy with browning when they were new, but they've calmed down somewhat now that they're older--unless it's the cleaners and dressings I'm using now leach less out of the tire. And I've noticed, as Wristy stated, that some dressings seem to encourage the browning also--maybe that's on purpose, to get you to use it more often? I'm joking--I think.

Have you tried using a tire cleaner like McKee’s Tire & Rubber Rejuvenator or Mothers Back to Black Tire Renew? Those 2 tire cleaners are formulated with higher quality cleaners that will clean tires without causing them to turn brown once they dry. Once you get them super clean using those tire cleaners they’re left deep dark black, looking really good. So good you pretty much could go without using any tire product.

I’ll try to find some old pics I took.

 

[Goonie75]

You should like 253 much better. I've used 253 for many years and picked up a small bottle of the Optimum when my 253 bottle ran out as I wanted to get some experience with other products. I've been really disapointed. I'm not impressed by the appearance of the Opti-Bond, and it doesn't survive a single encounter with rain or snow.

Funny experience with the Opti-bond as an example: One day I spent a great deal of time last spring detailing my car top to bottom including a very careful application of the Opti-bond. It was one of the few times it actually looked really good on my tires and I was quite satisfied when then sun went down. Overnight we had a horrific thunderstorm pass through which blasted the passenger side of my car with rain. The next morning, the driver side tires still looked pretty good without only a few rain streaks, while the passenger side had bare tires. The product has been totally washed off as if nothing had ever been applied.

I want to try PERL when my Opti-bond runs out, but I wonder if it will live up to my 253 experience.

I have PERL too. Found it didnt hold up long for me... idk. I'll for sure try the Duragloss

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[Eldorado2k]

Here’s some pics I took a long time ago showing what these tires look like after they’ve been cleaned with either Megs Super Degreaser or D143 non acid wheel & tire cleaner. This is a clean tire scrubbed at least 2 times.

Now I start using a different higher quality tire cleaner, in this case it was the TW Endura Tire Cleaner [which is similar to the McKee’s and Mothers Tire Renew]
Notice how the blooming is actually beginning to scrub off.

It took a good 3 maybe 4 times of scrubbing, but it was well worth it because it won’t come back and now the tire is officially back to virgin status. This is what a clean tire is supposed to look like. No dressings, just clean.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

Have you tried using a tire cleaner like McKee’s Tire & Rubber Rejuvenator or Mothers Back to Black Tire Renew? Those 2 tire cleaners are formulated with higher quality cleaners that will clean tires without causing them to turn brown once they dry. Once you get them super clean using those tire cleaners they’re left deep dark black, looking really good. So good you pretty much could go without using any tire product.

Here’s some pics I took a long time ago showing what these tires look like after they’ve been cleaned with either Megs Super Degreaser or D143 non acid wheel & tire cleaner. This is a clean tire scrubbed at least 2 times.

Now I start using a different higher quality tire cleaner, in this case it was the TW Endura Tire Cleaner [which is similar to the McKee’s and Mothers Tire Renew]
Notice how the blooming is actually beginning to scrub off.

It took a good 3 maybe 4 times of scrubbing, but it was well worth it because it won’t come back and now the tire is officially back to virgin status. This is what a clean tire is supposed to look like. No dressings, just clean.

Thanks, Eldo. I found the M37 product to be a little too pricey, but I did recently buy a bottle of the Tuff Shine cleaner, which produced very good (black) results.

 

[Eldorado2k]

Thanks, Eldo. I found the M37 product to be a little too pricey, but I did recently buy a bottle of the Tuff Shine cleaner, which produced very good (black) results.

Yup, I agree it is too expensive, that’s why I haven’t replenished it on my shelf. I do have a bottle of the Mothers as the $5 price per bottle is alot easier to justify. I rarely use it though.

 

[yakky]

I have PERL too. Found it didnt hold up long for me... idk. I'll for sure try the Duragloss

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If you are looking for durability duragloss won't really outlast Perl. They are very similar in durability.