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what are your thoughts on #1 polish angel cosmic #2 modesta glass coat
 
What's the deal with these two 'Coatings' (as well as some others) having to have their
specific "primers" used on the vehicles' surfaces, before these 'Coatings' are applied?

:dunno:

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
What's the deal with these two 'Coatings' (as well as some others) having to have their
specific "primers" used on the vehicles' surfaces, before these 'Coatings' are applied?

:dunno:

Bob
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Well, who would know better what the surface should be like before the coating is applied than the manufacturers? I think primer type products are a good thing. You only want to do it once, and some polishes may have durable fillers you may think you have removed.
 
Likely as they are sold to the layperson detailer, in order to assure correct adhesion they make a known "synergistic product" designed to promote the coating's success.

Mind you, it likely doesn't hurt their bottom line either.;)
 
swanicyouth said:
Well, who would know better what the surface should be like before the coating is applied than the manufacturers? I think primer type products are a good thing. You only want to do it once, and some polishes may have durable fillers you may think you have removed.
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I don't buy into any hype regarding durable fillers...
let alone any manufacturer's hyped-up claim of a "Coating primer".

How easily the trap is set, and, subsequently, how easily said trap is sprung!!

Note to Self:
Kinda funny that Opti-Coat Coating, among others, don't "need" a primer.

Just my opinion.

Bob
 
FUNX725 said:
I don't buy into any hype regarding durable fillers...
let alone any manufacturer's hyped-up claim of a "Coating primer".

How easily the trap is set, and, subsequently, how easily said trap is sprung!!

Note to Self:
Kinda funny that Opti-Coat Coating, among others, don't "need" a primer.

Just my opinion.

Bob
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You can call it hype, but have you had a coating fail? OC Pro recommends their primer & 2.0 recommends using a Optimum polishes followed by 15% IPA wipe down. Not sure why following the manufacturer's recommendations is a "trap" - to me it's just common sense to ensure the surface is prepped correctly to accept the coating. If the manufacturer of the coating manufacturers the product to do it, so be it.
 
aim4squirrels said:
Likely as they are sold to the layperson detailer, in order to assure correct adhesion they make a known "synergistic product" designed to promote the coating's success.

Mind you, it likely doesn't hurt their bottom line either.;)
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Pureshine said:
Opti-coat pro comes with a primer now.
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Yep, and as was just said; Mind you, it likely doesn't hurt their bottom line either. :rolleyes:
 
I don't know all of the details on Modesta's primer. However, polishangel's Primer is non-filling but leaves behind the hardening agent for Cosmic. Cosmic does not harden in your applicator or towel, only on paint with 9H Primer. Cosmic 9H is a cream, not liquid like other coatings, it can be applied by DA if you want but I prefer using a foam applicator.

Primer is a very advanced polish which finishes down better & glossier than any other polish I have used. This is partly due to its unique abrasive particles. It's cut is close to Sonax Perfect Finish but finishes with less haze on softer paints. It can also be used before many of the other SiO coatings without the need for IPA or Panel Wipe (22ple, Cquartz, Gtechniq C1..)
 
TrKent said:
I don't know all of the details on Modesta's primer. However, polishangel's Primer is non-filling but leaves behind the hardening agent for Cosmic. Cosmic does not harden in your applicator or towel, only on paint with 9H Primer. Cosmic 9H is a cream, not liquid like other coatings, it can be applied by DA if you want but I prefer using a foam applicator.

Primer is a very advanced polish which finishes down better & glossier than any other polish I have used. This is partly due to its unique abrasive particles. It's cut is close to Sonax Perfect Finish but finishes with less haze on softer paints. It can also be used before many of the other SiO coatings without the need for IPA or Panel Wipe (22ple, Cquartz, Gtechniq C1..)
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No offense meant to you, but the latest run of Polish Angel promos you and the wilson guy are running are getting borderline Chemical Guys marketing hype-machine level.

I do have some questions about Polish Angel:

What test was used to determine the claimed 9H hardness of Polish Angel Cosmic? Was it the Pencil Test?

Here's Opti Coat's report, notice the use of the Tungsten Needle Test: http://www.optimumcarcare.com.au/XC3166CoatingTesting.pdf


Can you back yours up with an independent lab test?

Is there anything Polish Angel doesn't do better than every other product out on the market?
Do you use any other products than Polish Angel?
If it's made in Germany, why is named after the people of Poland?
 
aim4squirrels said:
No offense meant to you, but the latest run of Polish Angel promos you and the wilson guy are running are getting borderline Chemical Guys marketing hype-machine level.

I do have some questions about Polish Angel:

What test was used to determine the claimed 9H hardness of Polish Angel Cosmic? Was it the Pencil Test?

Here's Opti Coat's report, notice the use of the Tungsten Needle Test: http://www.optimumcarcare.com.au/XC3166CoatingTesting.pdf


Can you back yours up with an independent lab test?

Is there anything Polish Angel doesn't do better than every other product out on the market?
Do you use any other products than Polish Angel?
If it's made in Germany, why is named after the people of Poland?
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1: It states quite clearly on the polishangel website that it is Pencil Hardness.

2: Yes it is in German but here is the 3rd part test results, also clearly listed on the website in multiple places.
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0249/1426/files/INSTITUT_FRESENIUS_2013_53407_17342_POLISHANGEL_ISO_15184_de.pdf?881

3. I don't claim that every single one of polishangel's products are better than everything on the market. polishangel is a boutique brand with very unique products, some of which have the ability to perform better than others on the market but product performance is usually personal preference.

4. I use many products besides PA: 22ple, CarPro, Meg's, Scholls, Sonax... etc.

5.It is quite apparent that the polishangel company name has nothing to do with Poland.
 
TrKent said:
I don't know all of the details on Modesta's primer.

However, polishangel's Primer is non-filling but leaves behind the hardening agent for Cosmic.

Cosmic does not harden in your applicator or towel, only on paint with 9H Primer. Cosmic 9H is a cream,
not liquid like other coatings, it can be applied by DA
if you want but I prefer using a foam applicator.

Primer is a very advanced polish which finishes down better & glossier than any other polish I have used.

This is partly due to its

unique abrasive particles. It's cut is close to Sonax Perfect Finish but finishes with less haze on softer paints.
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To drive my point home, at least in this case:
This "primer" is then nothing more than just a hyped-up polish

TrKent said:
It can also be used before many of the other SiO coatings without the need
for IPA or Panel Wipe (22ple, Cquartz, Gtechniq C1..)
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-Makes me wonder if there ever really was the need for subjecting a vehicle's paint
to "panel-wipes", before some 'Coatings' applications in the first place.

-Makes me appreciate that Dr. G did not always promulgate such "harshness"
before applying Optimum's Coatings, that much more.

:)

Bob
 
Don't get it. Polish Angel looks good - people seem to love it. Who cares if it needs primer or not? Zymol sells like a 30k wax that doesn't need primer. What's the difference???

Some people use toilet paper - some people use baby wipes, then there are some people who use both. Who cares?
 
FUNX725 said:
To drive my point home, at least in this case:
This "primer" is then nothing more than just a hyped-up polish


-Makes me wonder if there ever really was the need for subjecting a vehicle's paint
to "panel-wipes", before some 'Coatings' applications in the first place.

-Makes me appreciate that Dr. G did not always promulgate such "harshness"
before applying Optimum's Coatings, that much more.

:)

Bob
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Primer's unique abrasives are titanium oxide along with aluminum oxide. Most other manufacturers use aluminum oxide and do not use titanium because of the expense involved in using it.

As swanicyouth said, those who use it, love it.
 
TrKent said:
Primer's unique abrasives are titanium oxide along with aluminum oxide.
Most other manufacturers use aluminum oxide and do not use titanium
because of the expense involved in using it.
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Somebody has really got you buff-alo-ed!!

Sure...
-Aluminum-oxide is a popular abrasive, associated with being low cost.

-Aluminum oxide can be, and often is "chemically fused" to Titanium oxide to enhance aluminum oxide's abrasives uses.
But that doesn't make these abrasives unique, or put price-inhibitions on other manufacturers incorporating
"fused" Titanium-oxide/Aluminum-oxide into their abrasive products.


-It' the sol-gel alumina abrasives---the ceramic abrasives---that are the ones to which many manufacturers
now turn to for faster, cooler, and longer lasting abrasives.

There is no need for "fused" Titanium-oxide/Aluminum-oxide in this case.
In fact, IMO, it probably would lessen the sol-gel effect of these more expensive ceramic abrasives.


Bob
 
Not fused Titanium/Aluminum abrasives. Just because 'many manufacturers' are going to a certain abrasive type doesn't really mean much. As you will find with all of the polishangel polishes, the working time, ease of use & resulting gloss is due to unique manufacturing, using higher quality & higher cost ingredients than 'many manufacturers'

Are they the best polishes in the world? That's up to personally preference. Though I have seen no negative feedback from people who use them instead of trying to talk them down without hands on experience.

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I don't know why people fight over stuff like this. If you want to use something that costs more, use it. If you're supposed to use a primer before a coating of some kind, then use it, or if you want to experiment and not use the primer do so.
 
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