Tom Horvath Owner SYSTEM ONE
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I agree that a lot of polish is used in the videos. I have the following speculations:
- In a demo, you don't want to go dry and have to reapply; that would take time and you might leave the crowd thinking you're not on top of things. So, use a little more than you think you'll need as a safety net.
- When you're removing 1500 grit scratches or heavy oxidation, you need a lot more cut and therefore more polish then if you were removing super-shallow scratches from near-perfect paint.
I did a white van one time that was SUPER oxidized and the thing just drank polish. When I do minor touch-up, I hardly use any.
So, for those that think he used too much, I would like to see how much of their polish they would use in a similar situation if we told them they had to 'get it right' the first time (no reapplying).
Bring your 1500 grit and your measuring spoons to Detail Fest!!!:righton:
- In a demo, you don't want to go dry and have to reapply; that would take time and you might leave the crowd thinking you're not on top of things. So, use a little more than you think you'll need as a safety net.
- When you're removing 1500 grit scratches or heavy oxidation, you need a lot more cut and therefore more polish then if you were removing super-shallow scratches from near-perfect paint.
I did a white van one time that was SUPER oxidized and the thing just drank polish. When I do minor touch-up, I hardly use any.
So, for those that think he used too much, I would like to see how much of their polish they would use in a similar situation if we told them they had to 'get it right' the first time (no reapplying).
Bring your 1500 grit and your measuring spoons to Detail Fest!!!:righton:
SystemOne does not break down...it is not a diminishing abrasive.
Using too much X3 just makes a mess (sling) and wastes polish...I have found no other downside.
rydawg
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This sounds very interesting and I have been looking at this stuff for years. I remember the old formula that was out way back when.
I'll have to try it out sometime. If what you are saying it never breaks down, then I may have a perfect pad setup system for this one. Now you got me thinking.
I'll have to try it out sometime. If what you are saying it never breaks down, then I may have a perfect pad setup system for this one. Now you got me thinking.
TOGWT
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If you apply enough friction to an abrasive it will 'breakdown', if this were not true it could only abrade the surface, you would then require another finer abrasive to burnish it (but that's a two step polish)
SystemOne, like other non-diminishing abrasive polishes, does not break down.
It's cutting particles are microscopic, which is how they can cut and finish.
jaredpointer
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Aren't the cutting particles in other polishes microscopic?
No, or at least not until they break down.
Most (but not all) polishes have particles that you can feel with your fingers (gritty). SystemOne has no gritty feel. You can't feel them because they're so small.
jaredpointer
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What about polishes such as SSR1 & 2 and Megs ScratchX that have diminishing abrasives that I can't feel? Those must be microscopic too then, right?
Just my opinion, but I don't buy that just because something is too small to be felt that it's "microscopic" or that it wouldn't diminish in size when being used to abrade a surface. I'm no scientist, but it doesn't seem like the laws oh physics would work that way. I dunno....
Brian_Brice
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The majority of polishes I have in my arsenal feel very smooth, none of which can you feel any abrasive material.
I'm not asking you to buy anything. I was originally responding to the statement about 'all polishes break down' then I got off on a tangent about particle size because the poster said polish 'had' to break down to finish (which is not true).
jaredpointer
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I didn't assume you were, I just think that there's some misleading information in this thread - or at least information that goes against what others have told me and what I have read in the past. That is all.
Roger that...but just don't let conventional wisdom tell you that a product can't work and keep you from trying it.
Diminishing abrasives have been preached as 'the best and only way' for years and most of us know of nothing else, so when something different comes along, it doesn't fit the mold and we sometimes reject it as a possibility.
For example, conventional wisdom tells us that you can't make a fishing line 3-5x smaller and keep the same tensile strength...but there's a company that does (it's called Spiderwire).
Conventional wisdom tells me they can't make the Toyota Tacoma longer, wider, heavier, with a larger engine and more horsepower, AND faster, yet have it get better gas mileage (but they did that in 2005).
I could go on, but I'm probably getting annoying by now...and a little
fftopic:Sounds interesting...
I don't think you can feel anything in ScratchX, maybe you have it mixed up with something else. Go to Walmart and grab a tube off the shelf and giver a go...you won't feel any abrasives. I don't ever remember hearing anyone say that ScratchX caused hazing.
Going back to systemone, does this stuff remove 1500 or 2000 grit. I remember only reading 2000.
Do you work for systemone? Are you polishandwax.com???
Brian_Brice
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