Topper over McKee's 37 Paint Coating

wolfpacker92 said:
I'm not sure why so many get caught up in this conundrum about topping or not topping. Detailing is one great big experimentation and finding what works for you and what you like. If every detailer went strictly by manufacturers recommendations we would have missed out on so many methods and combinations over the years. People branching out and trying things is what makes this hobby/business so great. Look right in this thread and you see where a quality detailer, pdqgp, has come up with his own concoction that has proven great results for him and I'll probably be trying out soon myself to see if I like it.

When I got into this a decade ago I constantly changed LSPs and loved doing it, however as life, my career, kids, them playing sports, coaching, etc started to take over a tremendous amount of my free time I began to look for longevity in my LSP. I used Opticoat back in 2010 for the first time on my vehicles and every car I've had since I've put a coating on as soon as I got it home. I have Cquartz topped with EXO on my Camaro and my wife's Yukon, and have CSL topped with EXO on my daughter's Hyundai Veloster. I will do a topper of DG Aquawax on the Camaro and Veloster, and Reload on the Yukon after every wash (that takes absolutely no time now). Heck I've even started doing a monthly regimen of McKee's Hydro Blue on each car after a wash just to try and increase the longevity of the coatings. If doing a 10 minute topper after each wash provides me with 25 months of longevity vs 24 months without it, then I consider that extra month of time gained with my family and life a win. I've been at this a while and I'm of the firm belief that the toppers increase the longevity of the LSP, regardless of traditional or coating, and in this point in my life that's what I'm after.

So if you want to do it, then by all means do it. If you don't think it adds any value then by all means don't do it, but the experimentation, trial and error is what has transformed this hobby/business for the better. Some of the tricks and combinations we use today were discovered and luckily made public on great detailing forums like this one.
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Experimentation great but si02/ceramic coatings are not compatible with wax. That's just the way it is. You can experiment all you want but it's not going to make it look better that's just a fact. At least from my understanding on the topic
 
I have Mckees 37 coating on my white Malibu. So far my favorite drying aid topper is Gyeon Cure. It is designed for exactly this purpose: drying aid and a Sio2 refresher. The look is very glossy. I've not had any streaks with it.
 
fightnews said:
Experimentation great but si02/ceramic coatings are not compatible with wax. That's just the way it is. You can experiment all you want but it's not going to make it look better that's just a fact. At least from my understanding on the topic
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Not sure where you came up with the topping with a wax unless you are referring to my statement about using DG Aquawax, but that is about as far from a wax as you can get. It's actually a spray sealant but anyway, I've seen a number of Manufacturers' Facts be disproven over the years and thus seen tremendous evolution of the industry. And furthermore a subjective notion of "looks better or not" can't be quantified as fact.
 
wolfpacker92 said:
Not sure where you came up with the topping with a wax unless you are referring to my statement about using DG Aquawax, but that is about as far from a wax as you can get. It's actually a spray sealant but anyway, I've seen a number of Manufacturers' Facts be disproven over the years and thus seen tremendous evolution of the industry. And furthermore a subjective notion of "looks better or not" can't be quantified as fact.
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Waxes and sealants are incompatible with coatings. A sealant is just a synthetic wax. The chemistry is not compatible there's plenty of articles around explaining why but you can do whatever you want.
 
fightnews said:
Waxes and sealants are incompatible
with coatings. A sealant is just a
synthetic wax. The chemistry is
not compatible

there's plenty of articles around explaining
why but you can do whatever you want.
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Would you be surprised to discover that there
are Coatings that actually contain Wax?

I don't see why those wax-infused Coatings
can't be topped with other Waxes---whether
they're natural or synthetic---if a person
should desire to do so. How about you?



Bob
 
You can top 37 with fast wax. Hydro blue etc. probably even the high def sealant


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Cruzscarwash said:
Fast wax if I remember correctly has some of the "secret sauce" or maybe it's the mckees qd that does. Hydro blue should work just fine

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Not sure about those two but high def paint sealant does

Mckee's High Def Paint Sealant Review

Nick@McKees37 said:
I'm glad you pointed that out. High Def Paint Sealant contains some of the "good stuff" found in McKee's 37 Paint Coating, so it's going to take a full week before it's 100% cured. Can it get wet within that time frame? With exception to the first 6 hours after being applied, the vehicle can absolutely get wet. However, it's not recommended that you wash the vehicle (not that you would need to anyway because nothing sticks to the paint ;) ).
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Found it


McKee's 37 High Gloss Detail Spray has some of the secret sauce that is found in Paint Coating. I would recommend using it as your maintenance product.
From Nick

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custmsprty said:
I've used all kinds and combinations of waxes and sealants and pseudo coatings over the past few years. I have C quartz and EVO duo but have not used them yet and most likley never will so they will go down as wasted purchases.

After reading your post and many like it before it, my biggest question is, if a coating is really a coating then why should it need any "topper" or "refresher". My premise being the alleged longevity of any said coating it should stand on it's own for the time quoted by the manufacturer.

But if you market products that last for "years" then you potentially market yourself out of business.

The other thing I like about your post is many of us just like to apply stuff to our vehicles whether we need to or not.

I just had to get this off my chest as it's kind of an "oxymoron" for an AG'er to coat the car so we don't touch it but we like to top it, wipe on it with detail sprays (silica sprays for coatings) of all different kinds etc.

So for me it's sealants, waxes, and Polish Angel :props:

Thanks for indulging me and top away!!!
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the coatings are supposed to protect the car for 2 years or whatever the quoted time is but that doesnt mean they stay glossy for 2 years, thats why people top them to keep them looking fresh. i do agree with you though i like using something every week just about
 
Has anyone used their 10min sealant wowo as a topper for their coating? I heard the 10min sealant has sio2 in it also
 
ls14camaross said:
Has anyone used their 10min sealant wowo as a topper for their coating? I heard the 10min sealant has sio2 in it also
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I’ve heard numerous cases of people topping the coating with 10 min. Too lazy to look it up, but it was recent because the sealant is new.
 
Yes,I know of quite a few people doing it and it's one of the recommended toppers from Nick. I even think it's been said u can top it right after coating so the car will be better protected if you have a client that needs to drive it away right after the work.

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Only thing I would add is this; what ever drying aid you choose (only reason I would see wanting to TOP a coating), choose a product that is SiO2 based, or you will loose the characteristics of your coating. So Reload, Echo2, or any of these products seems like a good choice.
 
If someone is using the McKee’s 37 Coating try topping it with McKee’s 37 Hydro Blue if you feel the need to top/repair. I also find the McKee’s 37 SiO2 wash works quite well on these coatings too.


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Wash with Mckees sio2 auto wash does a great job enhancing the coating. I also use Echo2 at 1:15 or 1:20 and that works really well .

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