Topping a Coating with a Sealant

FUNX650 said:
IMO:

"Topping a Coating" is a project fraught with risks;
among them being: presumptuousness; imprecision;
and mystification.


Bob
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I see none of these as being explanations of "risk," so, what do you mean?

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Well if it's a "felony"... consider me tried and convicted! :dblthumb2:

I've used a number of coatings, many of which have their own 'recommended' "booster" or "topper". On others... I've experimented. Generally something like a spray wax/polymer sealant goes on well, covers well, performs, and even looks well.

I've had coatings get ruined by extensive beading (from hard, calcium/limestone loaded well water) that required buffing and removing the coating. Where had there been more of a 'sheeting' action... that problem wouldn't have been as severe, if at all. ;)

Considering the cost of coatings come in often at $25 an ounce, verses PENNIES per ounce for a 'topping'... me thinks that's not money wasted at all with said toppings. :)
 
FUNX650 said:
IMO:

"Topping a Coating" is a project fraught with risks;
among them being: presumptuousness; imprecision;
and mystification.


Bob
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Bob is an encyclopedia, regarding all aspects of the detailing business.
Although he explains in a japanese hai kai style, in which, being a non english speaker, sometimes I find it hard to fully understand it, when I finally do I see he nails it.

The only problem I see in his remarks is the lack of dealing with detailing customers on an everyday basis. I would assume he doesn't have to deal with it as his main business.

For instance, friday we were finishing a polishing and coating a VW Amarok for a rich PITA customer, we were halfway there when he came to the shop and started to touch the panels; he said, ' f&%£, it ain't coated', in my language, we said take it easy, it is not finished yet, tomorrow it'll be ready.

He said that because he touched a coated panel and it wasn't as slick as he expected; we let the coating cure for less than 24hrs (it is 35 to 38C here), applied Reload on top of it, and when he came to the shop he said, 'Oh, now you finally coated it.'

Sometimes you have to tweak it a bit, to serve, to fill the expectations of our clients. Since it is an add-on, I'm not lying to him since I really coated, I see no harm in it.
 
FUNX650 said:
IMO:

"Topping a Coating" is a project fraught with risks;
among them being: presumptuousness; imprecision;
and mystification.


Bob
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FUNX650 said:
... regenerated modular projections.


Bob
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Projecoes modulares regenerativas. Even in my language I can't grasp the meaning of it.

Wish I could drink a six pack with you some day ;)

You must be a really interesting guy to talk to
 
Topping a coating with a recommended companion sealant achieves two objectives:

1) A coating "topper" increases the slip properties (slickness) of the surface, reduces the coefficient of friction, which reduces the potential to cause marring during the drying process. Water based sealants like Reload are great because they use similar chemistry to Si02 based coatings and can be applied while the vehicle is still wet.

2) A companion sealant modifies the surface of the coating with beneficial effects like increased hydrophobic properties, slickness, and provides even more protection for the underlying paint system.

Due to the cost of DIY or professionally applied ceramic coatings I see no reason why it should be frowned upon to apply further protection. Any additional protection, that is compatible with the coating surface, will be beneficial and extend the useful life of a ceramic coating investment.
 
Very well put, and amplifies what I had previously addressed - all coatings are unique and should be treated accordingly.

With my experience with various coatings, experimentation, etc, I find that utilizing a compatible product will only assist the underlying coating in delivering it's results for a longer period of time.


Plus, slickness is something most consumers find attractive. If they are going to spend their hard earned money, then to me, adding that second layer of a sealant for example will only increase the customers confidence in your work and help maintain them for future business, as it can enhance certain properties that the protective coating may not focus on as much.


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Would anyone consider Wolfgang Uber Coating one that could do well with a topper Sealant such as WDGPS?


Thanks,


Ray
 
willowcat11 said:
Would anyone consider Wolfgang Uber Coating one that could do well with a topper Sealant such as WDGPS?


Thanks,


Ray
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Just do it and see. I haven't topped Cquartz with anything but D151 or Duragloss Rinseless Wash with Aquawax, but it never neeeded it.

Honestly there's no point though. You'll just be touching your paint more and the sealant won't last as long because it won't bond as well. If you want to increase the looks or just do it to have it done, no one is stopping you.
 
willowcat11 said:
Would anyone consider Wolfgang Uber Coating one that could do well with a topper Sealant such as WDGPS?


Thanks,


Ray
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I agree that a coating doesn't need to be topped unless it's called for by the manufacturer.

If you decide to top Wolfgagn Uber coating then consider one of these

Wolfgang Deep Gloss Spritz Sealant

Wolfgang Instant Detail Spritz

Wolfgang Deep Gloss Liquid Seal, paint sealant

I would use CarPro Reset every now and then to get back to the base coating. Either of those products would work well with Wolfgang Uber Coating.
 
Thank you Guz!!! Those review as great products! Really nice stuff. I'm hearing a lot about that CPReset product. I'm going to read up on it.

Peace Man!


Ray
 
Even though it is not in Wolfgang family, you can consider Pinnacle Black Label Coating Booster as well, the product was design to bond with most of Quartz or Ceramic base coating. Apply them every 3-4 months will continue to amplify your gloss.

PS. Use wolfgang perfekt paint prep spray before topping will help bonding of any sealant or topping substance.
 
"Apply them every 3-4 months will continue to amplify your gloss."

Doesn't that sort of defeat the whole idea of "coating" to reduce maintenance?
 
• :dunno:
• Who knows?
• Nano Nano?
• "Nan-knew Nan-knew"?


Bob
 
Lol I think at some point we all realize we read way too much on products, comparisons, reviews, etc., and end up becoming so indecisive that the enthusiasm fades away.

Just go for what you want OP and experiment. Try things out. That's half the fun sometimes


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Thanks guys. I am having a lot of fun trying Wolfgang's products for the first time. Just started using WETS, and I LOVE it! Can't wait to start trying more new products.
 
Is their really a difference with coating boosters vs toppojg. With a waterless wash or sealant?

I may have found a WW that simply makes everything sheet! Just wondering if boosters adhere better due to SI02 to where a WW or sealant doesn't and may not stick long?
 
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