Topping AIO’s with Sealant - Basic test

[Eldorado2k]

I apologize for taking so long... It wasn’t my intention but it’s been kinda hectic these past few days.

One question....why did you use the HF DA for this test?

Just about all of my 7” pads are dirty, and I didn’t feel like switching backing plates on my G21, so I used the HF DA.

-Ok onto part Deux.

After laying down all 6 AIO’s I let them haze in the shade for almost 2hrs before removing them in the same order that they were applied. [with different towels of course]

-1st up for removal was Megs D166. This turned out to be the easiest and best removing product in the test. Very nice.

-HD Speed. Surprisingly this was a bit of trouble to remove. It seemed to have dried on the paint to the point that I couldn’t remove it all. I didn’t want to force the issue and risk removing it completely, nor did I want to contaminate the test panel by introducing a quik detailer to remove it, so I just did my best and left the bit that wouldn’t wipe off.

Here’s a pic of the area where HD Speed wouldn’t fully wipe off.

-Blackfire One Step. This wiped off a bit similar to HD Speed, but there was no issue getting it all off. It did dust just enough for me to make a note of it. Nothing crazy though..

-McKee’s 360. The wipe off of this was more similar to the Megs D166.

So far it’s 2 and 2 behaving similar... I’ll come back to that.

-Onto the trunk.

-Megs D151. Wiped off as expected. It’s just enough resistance to let you know you’re doing something, but it never fights you. Easy removal.

-Griots Boss Finishing Sealant. This was the worst removing product in the test. Very gummy. Slow to wipe off. It wasn’t dry though, and it didn’t have any issues fully removing from the paint.

Here’s a few shots after removing the AIO’s.

I posted this next pic earlier, but it was taken after removal of the products.

 

[Eldorado2k]

Part 3. Topping with Sealant. Sealant was applied immediately after the last test panel was wiped off.

As far as which sealant I used for the test, I won’t disclose because it’s not sold by PBMG. For the sake of comparison it shouldn’t be too much different than McKee’s HI Def Paint Sealant, except this stuff is a WOWA in the truest form, so I applied it by hand via foam applicator.

[in case the 1 person who knows what it is happens to be reading this, please respect our convo and don’t guess what it is. Thx]

...Anyways, here’s where it gets interesting. 1st up,

-Megs D166. It was like hand & hand. Very easy application and removal. Just like normL.

-HD Speed. Compared to the D166 panel, it was like applying molasses. Somewhat sticky and slow to apply and remove. It removed the remaining HD Speed that wouldn’t wipe off on its own, just like I predicted it would.

-Blackfire One Step. Somewhat similar application as the HD Speed panel, but not as pronounced, but still noticeably sticky/grabby application/removal.

-McKee’s 360. Just like removal was similar to D166, once again, application and removal of the sealant was smooth on and smooth off, just like D166 panel.

-Megs D151. Application and removal was more in line with HD Speed and Blackfire panels, but not quite as potent. Almost as if it gave up the fight pretty soon into the application of the sealant compared to them. Removed easy because it felt like the wax was easily removed.

-Griots Boss Finishing Sealant. This panel applied like molasses, except dryer. Slow to remove, but once it did it felt like I had removed the base layer.

Here’s a shot of my hood later that day. In person it looked like sealant across the board.

2 days later... Last night.

I decided to rinse my hood down with the hose nozzle. Sorry about the bad pic but it was dark out.

Water behavior on all panels leads me to believe it’s the sealant that removed all of the base layers. I did a quik waterless wash with WG Uber and every panel felt the same. Very slick as expected. Every panel looks the same.

My early prognosis shows the sealant removed and replaced all the base layers, with the layers containing “wax” putting up more of a fight, but proving to be no more than a minor hassle than anything else, because all signs point to them being removed and replaced by the sealant. I’ll keep you guys posted if anything noteworthy happens.

Thanks for your patience, and thanks for reading.

 

[fightnews]

Nice u got me.... I think the all-in-ones fill a little bit. That's why they seem better than a Polish with no fillers. I think it's just temporary and you're still better off using a separate polish and wax

 

[Eldorado2k]

Nice u got me.... I think the all-in-ones fill a little bit. That's why they seem better than a Polish with no fillers. I think it's just temporary and you're still better off using a separate polish and wax

I would tend to agree, but it doesn’t stop there.. The wax component in them not only fills, but it makes the paint pop and leaves a slickness that’s hard to rival. Unfortunately IMO most of the greatness is somewhat short lived.

 

[PaulMys]

Cool write-up, Eldo.

Only thing that puzzles me is the Speed being hard to remove. Maybe baking in the Cali heat for two hours? :dunno:

Anyhow, it was interesting to read that the sealants seemed to strip the base layers. I've often thought that they may do just that by reading about their characteristics.

 

[Eldorado2k]

Cool write-up, Eldo.

Only thing that puzzles me is the Speed being hard to remove. Maybe baking in the Cali heat for two hours? :dunno:

Anyhow, it was interesting to read that the sealants seemed to strip the base layers. I've often thought that they may do just that by reading about their characteristics.

Yea I wasn’t expecting that that to happen upon removal.. It was left to haze starting at 7:30am till about 9:15am in the shade. Maybe my hoods paint played a part? The reason I say that is because it’s so near it’s end that sometimes I feel like it’s a bit different than say perfect paint on a new car.

But the more I think about it I feel like using Megs D166 might just be a pretty good 1-2 punch worthy of replacing a dedicated polish in some situations, followed by a sealant.

 

[JMak97008]

You left them on for up to 2 hours...why? I'm being curious as I normally apply the D166 and then nearly immediately remove it...maybe I'm doing it wrong.

 

[Avgguy]

El. Thank you for all your time in this.


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[acuRAS82]

You left them on for up to 2 hours...why? I'm being curious as I normally apply the D166 and then nearly immediately remove it...maybe I'm doing it wrong.

Just guessing, I understand people often polish the whole car with AIOs and wipe off everything when complete. This would simulate that kind of use, I think.

 

[PaulMys]

Just guessing, I understand people often polish the whole car with AIOs and wipe off everything when complete. This would simulate that kind of use, I think.

That's a great guess.

Yeah, most of us do that with AIO's. And the way Eldo did it was even a tougher test of the products. Which is exactly what a test should be, IMO.

 

[mwoywod]

Thanks for testing these Eldo! Only thing I noticed that may have caused an issue with HD Speed was how much product you used? Just curious, how many section passes did you use with each product?

That hologram looking product haze that was left behind with HD Speed in your test is what I've experienced with D166. More recently, I had the same issue with Jescar AIO Polish & wax. I think it's the sealant in some AIO's that is being left behind because I've noticed right when I hit it with wolfgang uber it's easily removed. I used to think D166 was leaving behind a ton of micro marring because of the haze that wouldn't wipe off with a dry microfiber.

That's a big part of why I prefer HD Speed & BF 1-step. For me, even though it's easy to use a quick detailer to inspect the finish, HD Speed has always been the least likely to leave behind any of that cloudy sealant residue.

Is there a name for the haze AIO's can leave behind that doesn't get fully buffed off the paint with a dry microfiber towel? I feel like dlc95 probably knows the technical term for this phenomenon.

 

[Cruzscarwash]

Shocked by speed, I've left it on for 24hrs in direct sunlight with no issues at all and wipes right off.

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[Eldorado2k]

Thanks for testing these Eldo! Only thing I noticed that may have caused an issue with HD Speed was how much product you used? Just curious, how many section passes did you use with each product?

That hologram looking product haze that was left behind with HD Speed in your test is what I've experienced with D166. More recently, I had the same issue with Jescar AIO Polish & wax. I think it's the sealant in some AIO's that is being left behind because I've noticed right when I hit it with wolfgang uber it's easily removed. I used to think D166 was leaving behind a ton of micro marring because of the haze that wouldn't wipe off with a dry microfiber.

That's a big part of why I prefer HD Speed & BF 1-step. For me, even though it's easy to use a quick detailer to inspect the finish, HD Speed has always been the least likely to leave behind any of that cloudy sealant residue.

Is there a name for the haze AIO's can leave behind that doesn't get fully buffed off the paint with a dry microfiber towel? I feel like dlc95 probably knows the technical term for this phenomenon.

There’s a possibility I may have over worked it... Ya know how sometimes you can sort of psych yourself out when you’re limited to a narrow test strip.

Btw I immediately noticed the D166 try to begin to sweat on the panel.. But a couple of more passes and it quikly resolved itself.

 

[Eldorado2k]

You left them on for up to 2 hours...why? I'm being curious as I normally apply the D166 and then nearly immediately remove it...maybe I'm doing it wrong.

I was hungry, so I jumped in the other car and went for a breakfast burrito.
Plus the people asked to give the AIO’s every advantage to bond to the max.

 

[JMak97008]

Just guessing, I understand people often polish the whole car with AIOs and wipe off everything when complete. This would simulate that kind of use, I think.

Is that because you can move more quickly over the car and get it done faster or is does leaving it on increase it's effectiveness? Thanks!

 

[Cruzscarwash]

Is that because you can move more quickly over the car and get it done faster or is does leaving it on increase it's effectiveness? Thanks!

Depends, some need to sit for a min or so to cure, 3d says to let it sit for at least 5 mins to properly bond. McKees paint sealant gets glossier if left longer

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[acuRAS82]

Is that because you can move more quickly over the car and get it done faster or is does leaving it on increase it's effectiveness? Thanks!

For Speed and One Step, I believe it’s mainly done for speed of application and because they both come off so easy regardless. As Cruz mentions, some pure sealants will benefit from length of time, but I don’t believe that makes a notable difference for these AIOs (unless someone responds that I’m wrong).

 

[dennis hiip]

Used Britemax AIO topped with UPGP. Mild abrasive polish and super easy sealant. Turned out great.

 

[PaulMys]

For Speed and One Step, I believe it’s mainly done for speed of application and because they both come off so easy regardless. As Cruz mentions, some pure sealants will benefit from length of time, but I don’t believe that makes a notable difference for these AIOs (unless someone responds that I’m wrong).

Actually, if you are looking to correct light defects, Speed is not as "speedy" as say, HD Polish. The perceived (and for some, realized) advantage is the correction AND protection in one application. The arm speed and section passes would be the same.

With Speed, it has been stated from others, and I have found myself, that letting it cure on the surface allows the Montan wax to more fully adhere.

That being said, I always top Speed with a wax regardless.

Let the arguments begin, (yet again) as to why one would not just use a Polish then Wax.......................... To that I say: Save your thoughts. It's beating a dead horse with another dead horse.

 

[joleyred]

I recently polished with Menzerna, and then went to Blackfires new paint sealant. I put the sealant on with a black Lake Country foam pad. It wiped off very nicely and looked good. This is on my black Denali work truck that I had applied McKees paint coating on last year. I wasn't real impressed with the paint coating, both from an endurance standpoint and also resistance to spotting. The sealant seems to look better and be more resistant to spotting, both water spotting and from bird crap. It still is beading nice and washing easy. In my opinion, the paint color has a big effect on all this. My Denali is black, my personal truck is white, coated with Carpro. The difference in ease of maintenance isn't even comparable. There is never a water spot on the white truck. I coated my wife's car, which is gray, and it never shows any spots either. For me, the color will help me determine what process and what product I will be using.

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