Topping HD Speed with sealant

Couple years back, I had just done my Wife's Jeep. Wash, clay, correct, wax, trim, the whole deal.

A day later, it went to the dealer for a recall. I made a huge sign that said "DO NOT WASH".

They didn't wash it, but one idiot there thought "Hey, why not spray the dust off?" Sprayed with a hose, not dried, and driven back to her work to bake in the sun for 4 hours.

I almost died when I saw it. Looked like a green cheetah with all the water spots. 2 hours to remove them. (Thank God it was just protected).

Blows my mind how some dealers can be so ignorant when their whole business is cars..........
 
PaulMys said:
Couple years back, I had just done my Wife's Jeep. Wash, clay, correct, wax, trim, the whole deal.

A day later, it went to the dealer for a recall. I made a huge sign that said "DO NOT WASH".

They didn't wash it, but one idiot there thought "Hey, why not spray the dust off?" Sprayed with a hose, not dried, and driven back to her work to bake in the sun for 4 hours.

I almost died when I saw it. Looked like a green cheetah with all the water spots. 2 hours to remove them. (Thank God it was just protected).

Blows my mind how some dealers can be so ignorant when their whole business is cars..........
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That's what you get from a $10/hr unskilled worker.
 
Even in the worst case scenario, it shouldn’t take you longer than 45min. to an hour to quikly re polish the vehicle with HD Speed after a quik wash. All the prep is already done. All you would have to do is quikly [and I mean very quikly] go over every panel with the polisher and wipe it off once you’re done. You’re making it out to be more than it is. 4hrs. to remove the most minor swirls from 1 wash? No way.
 
Eldorado2k said:
Even in the worst case scenario, it shouldn’t take you longer than 45min. to an hour to quikly re polish the vehicle with HD Speed after a quik wash. All the prep is already done. All you would have to do is quikly [and I mean very quikly] go over every panel with the polisher and wipe it off once you’re done. You’re making it out to be more than it is. 4hrs. to remove the most minor swirls from 1 wash? No way.
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True, although I was including getting things out and pad cleanup afterwards. Also, I would skip to Pinnacle Finishing polish since my plan is to get PBL sealant on there for my summer protection. Either way, 4 hours is probably an exaggeration, but those steps would take me 2-3 hours on a Q5 with my known pace.
 
acuRAS82 said:
Update: The horror of it all!!! My wife took her car into the dealer today and I forgot to tell her not to let them wash it! Until I get home from work and see for myself, I’m going to assume swirls now exist on her newly-Speed-polished-surface, and that the protection may be totally compromised at this point.

Maybe I’m over worrying and it won’t be too bad (I’m praying I don’t find significant swirling). Not worried about the protection loss since I’m trying to put sealant on soon. I’m sad right now.
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Well...

The good news is that you can start with a dedicated polish (Megs M205, HD Polish +, etc), and follow with the sealant.

I had to explain to my gf that every time she let them wash her truck, it costs me $225.00 to fix it.

She doesn't let them wash it anymore.

In the future, if you want to use a "cleaner wax" type product that leaves a synthetic sealant opposed to natural wax protection, look into some Duragloss products. 101, and 501 are both synthetic cleaner waxes. Then you can logically apply a pure sealant over it.

Even though I've done it, it just messes with my mind topping a wax with a sealant.
 
acuRAS82 said:
True, although I was including getting things out and pad cleanup afterwards. Also, I would skip to Pinnacle Finishing polish since my plan is to get PBL sealant on there for my summer protection. Either way, 4 hours is probably an exaggeration, but those steps would take me 2-3 hours on a Q5 with my known pace.
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You’re right, I totally understand what you mean... But in certain situations those quikie jobs are not only possible but they tend to turn out pretty darn great. I think it has to do with not being overly carefull/OCD or whatever. I wish I was more like that on other peoples vehicles sometimes... Because when it comes to my own daily driver, I kid you not I can do a full detail including machine polishing in notime! Lol.

Other peoples? All day.

dlc95 said:
In the future, if you want to use a "cleaner wax" type product that leaves a synthetic sealant opposed to natural wax protection, look into some Duragloss products. 101, and 501 are both synthetic cleaner waxes. Then you can logically apply a pure sealant over it.

Even though I've done it, it just messes with my mind topping a wax with a sealant.
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I’m currently in the same mindset.^
 
acuRAS82 said:
True, although I was including getting things out and pad cleanup afterwards. Also, I would skip to Pinnacle Finishing polish since my plan is to get PBL sealant on there for my summer protection. Either way, 4 hours is probably an exaggeration, but those steps would take me 2-3 hours on a Q5 with my known pace.
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I re-checked it in daylight today. The fine swirls can’t be seen in normal light (except a few larger ones), I only see them with the swirl finder. I decided I won’t be polishing again until I get my GG6 for Father’s Day. The Q5 still wins ‘best in parking lot’ status at the moment, good enough for the time being.

I cleaned with N-914, paint prep sprayed, accepted the condition and applied 1st coat of PBL sealant. Will post pics later after deciding whether to do a 2nd coat.
 
Eldorado2k said:
Even in the worst case scenario, it shouldn’t take you longer than 45min. to an hour to quikly re polish the vehicle with HD Speed after a quik wash. All the prep is already done. All you would have to do is quikly [and I mean very quikly] go over every panel with the polisher and wipe it off once you’re done. You’re making it out to be more than it is. 4hrs. to remove the most minor swirls from 1 wash? No way.
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I have a polishing question. I have Griots Boss fast correcting cream and perfecting cream. Think I can get by with using the fast correcting cream and go straight to sealant? This is on a 17 yr old daily driver work truck. It was repainted six years ago so it looks good but I’m not looking for perfection.
 
soobaroo said:
I have a polishing question. I have Griots Boss fast correcting cream and perfecting cream. Think I can get by with using the fast correcting cream and go straight to sealant? This is on a 17 yr old daily driver work truck. It was repainted six years ago so it looks good but I’m not looking for perfection.
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I think you can definitely get by with that 1 step plan.

I did this on an old Chevy work truck [must’ve been like a 1997] by simply claying [which took longer than usual because it was so rough + I was using mild clay] Then I used Megs Ultimate Compound w/Orange Lake Country Flat Foam Cutting Pad on a 8mm DA.

Before:

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After:

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I did a test spot polishing it with M205 and I saw no visible difference so I just went ahead and sealed it. I only did half the hood, that way the owner [my friends boss] would hopefully become inspired and maybe I’d get some work out of it. Plus I enjoy making vehicles like that look ridiculous. lol.
 
soobaroo said:
I have a polishing question. I have Griots Boss fast correcting cream and perfecting cream. Think I can get by with using the fast correcting cream and go straight to sealant? This is on a 17 yr old daily driver work truck. It was repainted six years ago so it looks good but I’m not looking for perfection.
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The BOSS Fast Correcting Cream finishes down really nicely.

Do a test spot and see.......
 
Thanks guys. I’m betting one polish step will be good.
 
acuRAS82 said:
I re-checked it in daylight today. The fine swirls can’t be seen in normal light (except a few larger ones), I only see them with the swirl finder. I decided I won’t be polishing again until I get my GG6 for Father’s Day. The Q5 still wins ‘best in parking lot’ status at the moment, good enough for the time being.

I cleaned with N-914, paint prep sprayed, accepted the condition and applied 1st coat of PBL sealant. Will post pics later after deciding whether to do a 2nd coat.
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Some pics after 1 coat PBL sealant (sorry some are sideways, don’t know how to fix):
 
If you are interested in waxes, you should check out this youtube channel: YouTube

The guy is really good and covers the very technical aspects of the detailing. In some of his videos he goes into details about how waxes are created and explain the variables that can be used to give the waxes some benefits (and weaknesses).

I was never interested in waxes so I skipped most of that contents but I remember him explaining that there are 4 basic waxes that can be used: Carnauba, Montan, Bee's and Parafin. Each have very specific characteristics, carnauba being the hardest and longest lasting, hence the overwhelming presence in the car wax market. But again, if you are interested in that stuff, check him out.
 
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