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98CayenneTA said:
If you guys are scared, stay home. The rest of us want to open back up.

You guys say he is not taking it serious? What do you want, Nation wide lockdown..... no thanks.
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Maybe wear a mask around thousands of people?


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Rrthomas78 said:
Anybody dealing with virtual learning like me 2 kids in elementary? I can't wait till this whole deal is over
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We made the decision for our two HS Seniors to study virtually since at the time the community spread was pretty out of control (mid summer) and the two of them have been struggling. While the school has had some challenges with quite a few Covid cases and well over 500 that have needed to be quarantined at various times for a HS that normally has over 2,000 students, overall it seems like the school district has done pretty well and so have the kids. So we’ll probably send them back to school next semester assuming the community continues to be fairly good with cases being under control. Then again, I live in TN and the governor is starting to throw out all controls that have helped get cases under control. I will put off the decision until we have to make a decision and base it on what’s best for the health and mental well-being of our kids. The current virtual learning has definitely been difficult on the kids as has the pandemic been on all of us. But the better we live with the pandemic, the sooner we’ll be able to get past it since a vaccine is well over 6 months away for the majority of people.
 
Billy Baldone said:
207,000 dead is unacceptable. An adult, Presidential response is what we deserved. Instead our country ranks as one of the worst in response. Both sides of the aisle failed us in a time of crisis
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Myself, I believe our numbers are massively inflated.

Other countries..... you don't really believe that China, having a population of 1.3 billion, only has 4,000 fatalities do you?

And since you said 207,000 dead is unacceptable, my question to you would be what a acceptable number would be?
 
98CayenneTA said:
And since you said 207,000 dead is unacceptable, my question to you would be what a acceptable number would be?
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I don’t agree that our numbers are massively inflated, are they completely accurate, probably not. But I also know people have died or been harmed because they haven’t gone to the hospital in a timely fashion and have been affected by other medical issues that they wouldn’t normally have if they had gone to the hospital sooner.

The issue isn’t the number, the issue is with the leadership that could have handled the pandemic better. There is a huge gulf between do nothing and complete lockdown. Ultimately the number is going to be what it will be but 207,000 when I know we could do better is worse than 207,000 when we all did our best.

We haven’t come close to being the best that I know Americans could have been in addressing this pandemic. We’ve been physically and mentally weak and completely divided. My dad was in the Army for 25 years and I was in the Army for 8 and I’m hugely patriotic but have been ashamed how we as a nation have handled this pandemic.
 
Coatingsarecrack said:
Maybe wear a mask around thousands of people?


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Exactly. Bottom line nobody wants the nation, or parts of the nation to shut down which is exactly why wearing a mask, practicing social distancing & washing your hands are not only the right thing to do, but easy and will help, if not alleviate the need for a shut down. You can't have it both ways, pick your poison.
 
dgage said:
I don’t agree that our numbers are massively inflated, are they completely accurate, probably not.
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Actually the numbers are likely massively inflated.. I’ve heard stories of hospital workers checking patients in as covid when they really aren’t based on the huge government assistance that the hospital stands to gain and thats the reason why huge investigations have been threatened here in California.

It makes complete sense too. There’s big handouts going on because of this situation and it’s no surprise that the hospitals and the people employed there would take advantage of any bonus money even if it means checking a few more patients boxes everyday than there really are.

Remember, no one else hands out free money like the US. And there’s never a shortage of people willing to take advantage of it when the getting is good.
 
I don’t doubt the hospitals are trying to “maximize revenues for shareholders” because this is America and capitalism is king. But there are checks and balances and the health departments are usually involved in case counts. Also, the hospitals aren’t the final ones counting the deaths and categorizing them as related to Covid.

But this reminds me of an argument on another forum about the fatality percentage of Covid. And I’d say does it really matter if it is .1% or .01% when there are still people dying from Covid, especially if we could do better to protect people?

No matter what the numbers are, this virus is dangerous and deadly to some. And as a society we could and should do better. And the sooner we do better, the better off we will be.
 
dgage said:
But this reminds me of an argument on another forum bout the fatality percentage of Covid. And I’d say does it really matter if it is .1% or .01% when there are still people dying from Covid, especially if we could do better to protect people.
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It certainly does matter if there’s supposedly 207,000 infected cases and that low of a fatality rate .01%

If it’s anywhere near that low of a percentage than that alone should raise some huge red flags that the numbers can’t be right. If it’s that low then wouldn’t that make the common flu more fatal in comparison? I haven’t done too much research into the subject but if the percentage is that low then something is off or the initial threat was overblown. 1 of the 2.
 
Eldorado2k said:
Actually the numbers are likely massively inflated.. I’ve heard stories of hospital workers checking patients in as covid when they really aren’t based on the huge government assistance that the hospital stands to gain and thats the reason why huge investigations have been threatened here in California.

It makes complete sense too. There’s big handouts going on because of this situation and it’s no surprise that the hospitals and the people employed there would take advantage of any bonus money even if it means checking a few more patients boxes everyday than there really are.

Remember, no one else hands out free money like the US. And there’s never a shortage of people willing to take advantage of it when the getting is good.
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My cousin works for a giant hospital chain in Chicago. Those rumors are completely false. Also have a friend who is a nurse in Minneapolis, same thing. No one is getting extra $$$ for Covid cases.
 
The flaw with your argument is that this pandemic would then be a global conspiracy and sorry, that just isn’t possible. So comparing this to the flu, at this point is completely asinine and incredibly dangerous since your thinking is all too pervasive.

EDIT- The other issue with the flu comparison is the explosion in cases during the early summer, which would not happen with the flu. So this virus is with us for the long haul. If it were just the flu, we’d at least get a reprieve and could recharge our mental batteries instead of having to fight this pandemic constantly, which it is obvious that we are not currently built to handle as 21st century humans.

And finally most people in society have experienced the flu so at least our bodies know to fight it. Part of the problem with Covid is not the virus itself but our body’s immune response, which sometimes goes into overdrive because by the time it recognizes that the virus is dangerous, it has infected most of the body, so the immune response is the strongest response the body can raise, which in itself is dangerous.
 
Like I said, I haven’t really researched the subject. I should’ve re read your comment because I was simply going off the .01% in your post not knowing it wasn’t an actual figure.
 
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