Tuf Shine: Hurry Up, Mother Nature!

[FUNX650]

I don't know if it was a fluke, but
the rear Goodyear tire I did yesterday is still fine.
It was the front Yokohama that was the one that went wrong. Perhaps part of the reason is that the sidewall of the Yokohama is very craggy, compared to the relatively smooth sidewall of the Goodyear.

Mixing brands of tires that have different "designs" conspire to adversely affect a vehicle's handling characteristics.

Please be safety-conscience out there on the highways and byways!

Bob

 

[SON1C]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCTM6HEqrvU]SON1C Synopsis 64 : Tuf Shine - Permanent Tire Shine Coating How To Apply and Review - YouTube[/video]
How are you cleaning the brush? are you dipping into a bucket of water or spraying it directly with with the hose?
I created a really in-depth video on the tuf shine tire kit if you're interested in watching it here

 

[trekkeruss]

How are you cleaning the brush? are you dipping into a bucket of water or spraying it directly with with the hose?

I haven't watched your video, but I will. I have used all the tips and tricks I could find, including rinsing the brush by spraying it clean with a hose.

EDIT: I have seen your video before. But it never hurts to watch it again.

 

[KillaCam]

Try using that wheel brightener to clean the tires. I'm sure that will remove all the gunk that you couldn't clean with the tire cleaners.

 

[trekkeruss]

I want to love Tuf Shine...

...but so far it has been a maddening process! I though it was all good yesterday, but upon waking up this morning, one of the tires is brown and cracking. In fact, it is the same tire as before, so this is the second failure. The other three tires are good, although there is some yucky brown around the deep lugging of the tread of the other Yokohama tire...the included brush is probably not the right tool for getting into those grooves. I scrubbed all these tires like hell yesterday too. It is supposed to rain hard today, and then turn cold tomorrow, so I won't be able to attempt this again on Friday. Uff.

This is the condition of the tire after cleaning it.

Here is one with the finished coating; you can see the yucky brown in the lugging.

The rogue tire that is giving me fits!

The Goodyear tires were not a problem.

 

[swanicyouth]

It sounds like your doing everything right (minus cleaning your wheels in the bathtub - Yikes!). I TS'ed Geolanders and had a similar issue at first. If you recently dressed those tires with conventional dressing, it can take a period of time for all of it to seep out of the tire, as I believe from my experience it almost forms a steady state concentration in the upper depth of the rubber.

Here is a tip, you can cut the TS Tire cleaner 50% with DI water and it will go much farther and still clean as well. I haven't used it strait in almost a year - and I'm not using the concentrate, but the RTU stuff. I buy it by the gallon. Also, use it with a foaming sprayer, as it clings much better to the tire as a foam - and it foams well.

Other than that, I can tell you once you get it right, you will never have to scrub those tires again as long as you use TS.

 

[trekkeruss]

If you recently dressed those tires with conventional dressing, it can take a period of time for all of it to seep out of the tire

The only dressing I have used is Pinnacle Black Onyx. What's maddening is that the other three tires are okay, so why not this one?

 

[trekkeruss]

The predicted rain has yet to arrive, so I have been taking yet another stab at cleaning the rogue tire. I started with one pass of Megs Wheel Brightener, then I moved to Castrol Super Clean. I used that until I ran out...there was maybe five ounces left and I was using it full strength. Then I grabbed my Megs APC; I lost count how many times I scrubbed the tire. Then onto the Tuf Shine Tire Cleaner. It appears clean to me, but it appeared clean to me yesterday too. I am not going to apply the coating; I will see if anything wicks to the surface by cleaning the tire again on Friday. It had better work, because I am running out of the TS, both the cleaner and the coating.

Some pics of today's scrubbing adventure:

This is how the suds look during the final Megs APC scrub-down

Here's the brush with suds from the Megs APC.

Scrubbing with the Tuf Shine Tire Cleaner.

More scrubbing! I paid particular attention to the deep lugging on the tread at the edge, so I won't have the ugly brown spots like on the other Yokohama tire (which I will have to fix!)

Here the suds on the brush on the final pass with the TS cleaner...

...and here is the brush rinsed of the cleaner suds. Would you say the tire is clean and ready for coating (once it dries)? I would say yes, but this is how the brush looked after I cleaned it yesterday, and I still had a failure.

 

[conquistador]

I had a similar experience. I took off all 4 wheels and tires on my Tacoma. Not an easy task. I have rather aggressive set of 265/75-16 Goodyear Duratracs weighing close to 90lbs each with wheels.

I cleaned each tire a total of 7 times each. The first 2 cleaning I used CG Grime Reaper at 4:1 followed by 5 thorough cleanings with Tuff Shine cleaner until i used the entire 22 oz. bottle. It took me about 5+ hours including cleaning the the tires, wheels, sealing wheels, and applying 2 generous coats of Tuff Shine clear coat.

Fast forward two days later and my tires are completely brown. The Tuff shine is not cracked like yours but my tires are brown. I too used Pinnacle Black Onxy dressing for about 6 months before I tried the Tuff Shine. I'm starting to wonder if the Black Onxy is impossible to fully clean out of tires after months of applications.

 

[Wes Bremec]

Wow all this thought into wheel cleaning and maybe just thought of an idea. I bet you a steam cleaner would be more effective in removing prior gunk then any wheel cleaner. Well maybe more effective then methods already taken,but a solution to fit a wide variety of tire sizes.

 

[aim4squirrels]

Dude, that's clean.

If it is still turning brown, I'd be inclined to blame the tire compound at this point.

 

[swanicyouth]

I'm starting to wonder if the Black Onxy is impossible to fully clean out of tires after months of applications.

Not impossible - but quite time consuming. I used a bevy of dressings frequently before I switched to TS. One thing I did find, was that APCs don't do squat to remove old dressings from tire rubber. You can scrub til your heart's content with the APC of your choice on frequently dressed tires - and you still will get dirt out with the TS Tire Cleaner. There is something in the TS cleaner that is specific to remove old dressings.
No, 22oz of the tire cleaner used neat is not enough to clean 4 frequently dressed tires.

 

[trekkeruss]

Dude, that's clean.

If it is still turning brown, I'd be inclined to blame the tire compound at this point.

I was contacted by Ron West, the inventor of Tuf Shine. He thinks it is possible that the TS cleaner can't lift the mold-release compound used by Yokohama, and suggested I add some ammonia to the cleaner.

As a side note, I asked him what the difference was between Tuf Shine and Black Restore, and if Black Restore could be used on tires (since I happen to have it also). He said yes, and that some detailers use Black Restore to deepen the black, and top it with the clear Tuf Shine. I may have to test that. :xyxthumbs:

 

[conquistador]

Not impossible - but quite time consuming. I used a bevy of dressings frequently before I switched to TS. One thing I did find, was that APCs don't do squat to remove old dressings from tire rubber. You can scrub til your heart's content with the APC of your choice on frequently dressed tires - and you still will get dirt out with the TS Tire Cleaner. There is something in the TS cleaner that is specific to remove old dressings.
No, 22oz of the tire cleaner used neat is not enough to clean 4 frequently dressed tires.

I have a fresh gallon of Tuff Shine cleaner en route. This time I'm breaking out the PC and and the upholstery brush attachment. If I have to use the whole gallon this time i will. I am so tired of having to dress big aggressive tires after every wash or rain storm. I hope this will be my permanent solution.

 

[aim4squirrels]

I have a fresh gallon of Tuff Shine cleaner en route. This time I'm breaking out the PC and and the upholstery brush attachment. If I have to use the whole gallon this time i will. I am so tired of having to dress big aggressive tires after every wash or rain storm. I hope this will be my permanent solution.

Sir, your forum name suits you well.

 

[swanicyouth]

I was contacted by Ron West, the inventor of Tuf Shine. He thinks it is possible that the TS cleaner can't lift the mold-release compound used by Yokohama, and suggested I add some ammonia to the cleaner.

As a side note, I asked him what the difference was between Tuf Shine and Black Restore, and if Black Restore could be used on tires (since I happen to have it also). He said yes, and that some detailers use Black Restore to deepen the black, and top it with the clear Tuf Shine. I may have to test that. :xyxthumbs:

I have dealt with one of the guys at TS as well. They are great guys and will do anything to help. My old tires were Yok Geolanders and I went through the same thing at first. Those sidewalks are intricate, my conclusion is that was the issue.

 

[trekkeruss]

Yesterday was perfect conditions for working on the tires. Today, not so much...it's 33º, or 33º colder than yesterday! Still, I had to scrub the rogue tire just to see what would happen. I added some ammonia to the cleaner as Ron recommended. The first scrubbing was a little bit brown, but the second came out clean. I did drive about 10 miles today, so I may have just cleaned off some road grime. Since it is too cold to apply the coating, I will have to wait until tomorrow afternoon, when it is supposed to be back up to 60º. Such odd weather.

 

[EvolutionDetail]

Hey OP, how long did it take before the tire showed brown and started cracking?

I am currently tuf shining my BFG A/T, and i am nervous if the tuf shine is going to crack or turn brown due to whatever silicone that is still on the tire.

It would show as soon as it dry on the tire right? Or does it take a while lol?

 

[trekkeruss]

Hey OP, how long did it take before the tire showed brown and started cracking?

In my case, it was the next day. What I learned is that it is more difficult to clean a tire that has a lot of nooks and crannies. If you have such tires, clean it more than you think you need to.

 

[EvolutionDetail]

Well fingers crossed lol
My tires are BFG A/T