Turtle Wax GRAPHENE Flex Wax

The best move is NO move! The beautiful snow is VERY overrated and trust me, what isnt overrated is being able to wash your car ANY day you want

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Look at TW's own promo video at :37 seconds into the video. It also shows flat irregular beading. I agree product need to be tested by more people and some gloss readings to see if it's worth the price.

You know who really has great unbiased video's is Car Craft detailing out of Australia. Problem is he doesn't get new products as fast as we do.

Is that sandro??. I think i checked one of his videos on beadmaker. It was a nice comparison but he was a bit unfair on not pointinf out beadmaker was much cheaper than the products he was comparing. But his other videos were pretty good. I ll def check his review on this

Here is a thought. Im assuming water behaviour is important because this is a standalone product correct? However ceramic coatings may have excellent water beading but they are not well regarded on water spotting therefore they all required some kind of topper. So why is it that we give a pass to ceramic coating even thought it requires a lot of maintenance and toppers and we judge this products that cost a lot less, easier application , etc etc so much.

Also, i was always under the impression that the paint takes the characteristic of a topper product. So why is water beating so important for products that require toppers?. This is something i find hard to understand.

If grahene products do not have the water spoting issue and they are easy to apply, cheaper , they still offer chemical resistance , and they make your car easier to clean , couldnt they also be use with some kind of topper product to improve the water behaviour

I have one of my car coated and im not sold on the price and all the maintenance required to keep this coating going. I also cant get on board with sealants as they are not as good as standalone products. I think this is where graphene or light coatings peak my interest

I could go on for a while on why i do not want to do a full ceramic coating after having my car coated for 5 years.. that is a different story. Im finding myself in somewhere between a selant and a ceramic coating
 
I also cant get on board with sealants as they are not as good as standalone products.

You do not consider a sealant a stand alone product? If not, why not? What, in your opinion, is a stand alone product?
 
I want to keep it on topic, but...

Regarding any and all product reviews from anyone...
I have to realize that I’m watching a YouTube’r, not a paid professional. Any of us can have a channel.
What I struggle to tolerate are repetitive phrases:

“As you can see...”, the worst offender.
“So simple!”, okay?
“Very very glossy!”, nice.
“Super super slick!”, even better.
“Basically...basically all you do”- I get it, and got it the first time you said it.

I wonder if anyone bothers to listen to their own videos. If I can see it, there’s no reason for you to say, “as you can see”. And if I can’t see it, then I can’t see it, and you’re wrong.


Now, the next time you watch a review, take note of how many times you hear that. To me, if we don’t talk about the pro’s and con’s of a product, it’s not unbiased. I don’t mind if it’s a sales pitch, and I can choose to not watch it.

Now, about the Graphene. Turtle Wax will price these at such an affordable value, there’s not much reason for me not to try it.

And for the skeptics, if you haven’t used any of the products, how would you know?

...Your mileage may vary.
 
Now, about the Graphene. Turtle Wax will price these at such an affordable price, there’s not much reason for me not to try it. Your mileage may vary.

I think you just touched on the most important unknown. Will a $25 bottle last you all year or will you have to reapply every two weeks as a drying aid to maintain 100% protection. One bottle a year at $25 a year sounds lucrative. Four bottles a year to maintain effectiveness doesn't sound affordable. Being pessimistic by nature I think TW wants us to buy more than one bottle a year.
 
You do not consider a sealant a stand alone product? If not, why not? What, in your opinion, is a stand alone product?

I m not sold on a sealant as a stand alone product for my location. I live in Canada where we have very harsh winters , where salts sticks to your paint and where weather makes it very hard to keep applying these products during the winter months if you do not have a garage with some type of heating system. I have seen various tests done on sealants , and sooner or later they are mostly strips just by chemicals, without the need of polishing . If I live in a place where weather was more friendly there is not question that a sealant would probably be my go to product

Now , there is another thing to consider, and this is where I got into coating with my car, my car used to be parked underground and the paint was damage by some type of chemical dripping from the ceiling, it penetrate it some of the clear coat. I was able to remove the damage by wet sanding the paint , actually a professional had to wet sand and polish the paint. This is where I decided to have my car ceramic coated, I was probably on ceramic coating before it really picked up in the detailing community. It was somewhere in 2012 if I m not mistaken, there were only a small amount of detailers offering coatings here, opti coating was one of the most popular coatings back then .

My issues with ceramic coating over the years has been the constant maintenance , always some kind of special soap and always some kind of topper , in the winter times I used to take my car to a professional detailer twice to have reload applied on my car since I had not access to a heated garage. My issue has also been that it is very hard to do any type of correction with ceramic coating, I do not keep a bottle of ceramic coating in my garage, and if I did have a bottle they only have a short shell life once the product its open ( 6 months i think???) , furthermore you need to throw the microfiber out after application . I m not saying that its not possible or its rocket science, to me its just a pain in the butt , for someone that likes to do one a year light polish , its a bit frustrating. Even the application proccess on some of these coatings just seem to be all over the place, the flashing times and high spots is not something I want to deal with. I m not saying its not a good product, I had it , it fit what i needed in the past and it a good job. But I m finding hard to justify a full blown ceramic coating now .

To me a perfect stand alone product is a product that can survive the winter months, a nice 6-1 year durability under harsh conditions. A product thick enough to fight chemicals or bird droppings. It also has to be a product that provides some type of gloss to the paint , and that its easy to apply , it has a long shell life , its easy to do paint correction , a not too expensive , is friendly with cold weather applications , a product that I do not need to throw out my microfibers would be ideal too .

Lite coatings seem to fit most of my categories as standalone products , except they still required some type of light topper , so its not really a standalone product but its close enough to the other categories that it is a product that I m considering for my cars. Graphene is another product that in theory could fit all of my categories . I m not sure this turtle wax is that product but these type of products peak my interest
 
One bottle could last you a season. I say a season because we only get to use a product like this for about 7 months a year. That said, even using it what I consider "alot" I could go through 2 bottles in 7 months and $50 isnt breaking even me

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It certainly is an interesting product, but I'll give it some time to marinate before I make the purchase. I'd like to see it applied to a car in the real world and then see how it held up three months from now. For now, the new GMC Yukon in the garage will get my current favorite sealant, WG SIO2, or my #2 go-to, Griots 3 in 1 Ceramic Spray Sealant. Those two I know I've gotten at least 3 months out of. Our winters here in southern NJ have been getting progressively milder, which works since I'm getting progressively older.
 
...and some us don’t mind using a topper each wash. If your car isn’t ceramic coated, then you may not realize how it stays cleaner, longer, versus traditional waxes and sealants.

I live in dry and dusty Southern California, where it’s rained once since last May. Before I coated my daily driver, I felt it needed washing about every ten days. Now, it’s maybe once-a-month. Dust and light dirt don’t seem to adhere to the surface as before.

Rarely will I just wash the car and not use some kind of topping spray or drying aid to give in some extra pop. But even when the car is in need of washing, the gloss shines through. To me, it’s totally worth having a real ceramic coating. So what am I going to do with the Graphene products? Probably use them on the detail jobs I do. I don’t plan to polish off a coating just to try out the latest products.
 
...and some us don’t mind using a topper each wash. If your car isn’t ceramic coated, then you may not realize how it stays cleaner, longer, versus traditional waxes and sealants.

I live in dry and dusty Southern California, where it’s rained once since last May. Before I coated my daily driver, I felt it needed washing about every ten days. Now, it’s maybe once-a-month. Dust and dirt doesn’t adhere to the surface as before.

Rarely will I just wash the car and not use some kind of topping spray or drying aid to give in some extra pop. But even when the car is in need of washing, the gloss shines through. To me, it’s totally worth having a real ceramic coating. So what am I going to do with the Graphene products? Probably use them on the detail jobs I do. I don’t plan to polish off a coating just to try out the latest products.

Try topping half your hood with Graphene and see if there's any difference with cleaning and appearance.
 
So I bit and bought the flex wax and liquid wax. I’ve been using the TW hybrid products and have been very satisfied for the price. Pretty foolproof as well. Didn’t get the new polish as I have plenty of polishes that will serve the same purpose.

I probably won’t use the liquid wax until spring, and at that time I’ll use that as my base, top with flex, maybe do the flex once a month and use Adam’s graphene detailer or bead maker as my drying aid.

I’ll probably throw the flex wax on top of my hybrid solutions coating just because I’m itching to try it soon. I’ll report back.
 
turtle wax graphene is to new to have a opinion . have to wait and see when it gets in the hands of people on how good it is . im sure that turtle wax is on a role they must have some great chemist
 
I tried it quite some time ago and IIRC I did REALLY like it but I try so many things that even a pricey products gets buried by other products, LOL.

What do you like/see that's noticeable about IGL Premier over the other products
Extremely easy to use, sparingly or heavy. Amazing water behavior initially and for quite some time. Lasts at least 3-4 months under northeast spring/summer/fall type weather.

I use a zillion spray sealants and having one that applies as easy as the easiest spray wax with tall standing beads and coating-quality water behavior... and probably 15 or more applications per bottle. It does what I paid for it to do.
 
Extremely easy to use, sparingly or heavy. Amazing water behavior initially and for quite some time. Lasts at least 3-4 months under northeast spring/summer/fall type weather.

I use a zillion spray sealants and having one that applies as easy as the easiest spray wax with tall standing beads and coating-quality water behavior... and probably 15 or more applications per bottle. It does what I paid for it to do.

is this the IGL premier product you are referring too?

CHEAP VS EXPENSIVE: IGL PREMIER VS GTECHNIQ C2V3 LIQUID CRYSTAL - YouTube

it didnt do so well against a product less than half its price. It is ECO friendly though
 
I wouldn't focus too much on these so called torture tests. They don't tell the whole story. AS a matter of fact I would not base my buying decision on any of those torture tests. Mine included lol. Mother nature is the true test.
 
I wouldn't focus too much on these so called torture tests. They don't tell the whole story. AS a matter of fact I would not base my buying decision on any of those torture tests. Mine included lol. Mother nature is the true test.

I agree with you to some degree. But we seem to judge every product by those standards online. Torture test, gloss meter, application price . But I see what you are saying , its like when people judge every car by the 0-60 times

I m not a big fan of the torture test myself , but it does bring you some idea on the durability of a product , specially when you are applying it on the same panel side by side. There are numerous post on this forum where people discredit products solely base on torture test , I ve been a lurker for a while now. One of the products I even liked ( reload) was demolished for the lack of durability here
 
I agree with you to some degree. But we seem to judge every product by those standards online. Torture test, gloss meter, application price . But I see what you are saying , its like when people judge every car by the 0-60 times

I m not a big fan of the torture test myself , but it does bring you some idea on the durability of a product , specially when you are applying it on the same panel side by side. There are numerous post on this forum where people discredit products solely base on torture test , I ve been a lurker for a while now. One of the products I even liked ( reload) was demolished for the lack of durability here

Some of those products that passed the torture tests with flying colors wear off the car in the same 4-6 weeks of mother nature abrasion as the ones that get wiped out right away.

Unless you are putting those chemicals from torture tests on your car frequently you have to look at them with a grain of salt. Yes I still watch the videos and yes I prefer some of those products that pass those tests.

So many factors go into longevity though.
 
Some of those products that passed the torture tests with flying colors wear off the car in the same 4-6 weeks of mother nature abrasion as the ones that get wiped out right away.

Unless you are putting those chemicals from torture tests on your car frequently you have to look at them with a grain of salt. Yes I still watch the videos and yes I prefer some of those products that pass those tests.

So many factors go into longevity though.

unfortunately very few people do those tests, and even then it is very hard to really compared two products. You can only go with what people are saying online , which is even harder because people have different driving habits, some maintain there cars more than others, some leave on cleaner cities than other, the weather could be different too , some people may be even exaggerating the longevity of the product just because they like the product .

Is the torture test a definite answer , hell no, but it is the prefer go to metric that the vast majority goes by and it is technically a more fair test if you were to compare 2 products in one day . I still say the torture test is a test with many flaws but it is still a test that gives you an idea of the durability of a product. I mean , products that are known for bad durability ( beadmaker) tend to do bad on the torture test and in real driving conditions they tend to fail early and products that are known for durability ( seal and shine) and do well on these torture test usually do better in real driving conditions.

There is a trend with the torture test that usually goes with what people are seeing in real driving conditions for the most parts. There may be exceptions , but overall the torture test is not that far from the truth
 
Yes, we’re having a friendly discussion and debate about car care products.
I am saying with a smile, I don’t care if a product is rated by a company at nine months durability*, but completely fails at six months. My environment is different than yours. I wash my car with different car soap/shampoo than you do. My technique is different than yours.

1. I’m sitting here trying to think of a product I flat out won’t buy again.

2. After a minute to think about it. I know what it is.

I got some spray wax at a big box store that no matter how much I shook the bottle, the fluid came out goopy. Something was wrong. Didn’t have my receipt, and it was so cheap, I didn’t bother to return it.

3. There are products I won’t purchase again only because I’ve moved on to pricier selections. But yeah, there’s probably half-a-dozen older bottles of TW Ice Spray and Seal & Shine sitting in the detailing bin. They’ll get used, because I know what they do and what project they’ll be used for.

4. I can’t tell you the longevity of some of my favorite products. They overrate every one of them. Okay, Reload lasts three months, not six. I guarantee you it will last longer on my car than someone who takes theirs through a tunnel wash once-a-week. So we can drop that debate.

5. Clearly, we are here because...


???


That’s all I got for now.



*Will last nine months only if vehicle is garage kept and never driven.
 
Or maybe he is just prepping the surface properly... jimbo is the guy who thinks eraser is good enough to remove sealants..

On one hand who have a guy showing his prep work, in the other hand we have a guy showing us no prep work.

I ll wait till the product is tested by forensic or other guys. I need to see glosss readings !!

Yeah, his newly sprayed panel has weak beading right off the bat, no prep. Let's wait for apex as he already tried the one and done.
 
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