Turtle Wax Seal and Shine
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Misterpaul
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TW S&S still doing its thing. This was after a day long trip to Wisconsin and a couple days of commuting.
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Did give the TW SNS another shot yesterday after the wash. It had totaly failed for me after 6 weeks. And this is on the paint that had only done a thorough prewash and a bucket wash with Carpro Reset car soap. The thing was that it where very humid and started to rain directly after the SNS was applyied. So think that where a big part of the shorter longevity from it.
Once again a thorough prewash and a bucket wash with a car soap very a like the Reset. Applyied on the whole roof and half of the hood. A much better experience even if the sun had come through the morning clouds. And got that more slicker feel during and afterwards.
On the other half of the hood I applyied the Meguiars Hybrid Ceramic Wax. Sprayed on some water again and a couple of spritzes with the HCW. Then dried it off and gave it a final buff with a mf towel. I must mention that they seems to be haveing another spray head here in Sweden on the HCW. Cause it where a very fine mist and spread out on a large surface. Even if I hold it pretty close 2 spritz basicly covered the half of the hood on a Ford Focus. So not what I expected from it from what I have seen on the Youtube videos. They have had have problems with the stock here in Sweden so it's newly coming in the HCW. Maybe they have switched the spray head in the US too know or soon to be seened.
Not much of a visual difference between them after application. And did not get any water on to testing the hydrophobic caractics of them. But letting them cure for a while and maybe later this week if not the nature gives me a water test. I might be doing some testing with the hose.
Strange thing with the TW SNS was that after I saw that it had failed and when it rained. It where still beading but not much of any sheeting from it. So before I applyied the prewash foam which I useally do on dry paint. I checked with the PW and sprayed on some water on the hood to see if it where beading and sheeting. Nope it was a flat water standing on the hood again when much of water got on it. Just thought that it where strange behavior on it when it where rained on. Useally this gets the water laying flat when raining too.
Hope to see better performance from the SNS this time. Sure maybe it would gets better on a clayed and polished surface. But my use with it would be as a topper during the winter months here in Sweden. And if it don't work on a thoroughly washed cleaned paint. Then I will use products I know works on that. For an example the new version of Gyeon Wet Coat still going strong on the other parts of the car which I applyied directly after the SNS was applyied.
/ Tony
Once again a thorough prewash and a bucket wash with a car soap very a like the Reset. Applyied on the whole roof and half of the hood. A much better experience even if the sun had come through the morning clouds. And got that more slicker feel during and afterwards.
On the other half of the hood I applyied the Meguiars Hybrid Ceramic Wax. Sprayed on some water again and a couple of spritzes with the HCW. Then dried it off and gave it a final buff with a mf towel. I must mention that they seems to be haveing another spray head here in Sweden on the HCW. Cause it where a very fine mist and spread out on a large surface. Even if I hold it pretty close 2 spritz basicly covered the half of the hood on a Ford Focus. So not what I expected from it from what I have seen on the Youtube videos. They have had have problems with the stock here in Sweden so it's newly coming in the HCW. Maybe they have switched the spray head in the US too know or soon to be seened.
Not much of a visual difference between them after application. And did not get any water on to testing the hydrophobic caractics of them. But letting them cure for a while and maybe later this week if not the nature gives me a water test. I might be doing some testing with the hose.
Strange thing with the TW SNS was that after I saw that it had failed and when it rained. It where still beading but not much of any sheeting from it. So before I applyied the prewash foam which I useally do on dry paint. I checked with the PW and sprayed on some water on the hood to see if it where beading and sheeting. Nope it was a flat water standing on the hood again when much of water got on it. Just thought that it where strange behavior on it when it where rained on. Useally this gets the water laying flat when raining too.
Hope to see better performance from the SNS this time. Sure maybe it would gets better on a clayed and polished surface. But my use with it would be as a topper during the winter months here in Sweden. And if it don't work on a thoroughly washed cleaned paint. Then I will use products I know works on that. For an example the new version of Gyeon Wet Coat still going strong on the other parts of the car which I applyied directly after the SNS was applyied.
/ Tony
Klasse Act
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Looking forward to seeing/hearing about your results this time around Tony
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Looking forward to seeing/hearing about your results this time around Tony
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Absolutely
The morning dew was in small tight beads on the TW SNS this morning LOL
Unfortunately it only was allowed to cure 20 hours as it rained just an hour ago. It was a light shower. The TWSNS does a great job on trim/plastic too, which makes it an ideal go to for the entire exterior. Due to its price point and performance, I'm going to be using this going forward. After each wash I will apply it. It doesn't have the gloss of a good wax, but it really does a great job and durability seems to be very good. I applied it to well prepped paint. A simple wipe down with a micro fiber towel and it cleans up very well. Very hydrophobic. Durability, price and ease of use are my main priorities. Being this is a truck that will see some moderate off-road use, this is perfect for me.
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Klasse Act
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I'd wash it before adding another layer, soap cleans, rain water doesn't
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Don M
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I haven't heard that, most say that there is no needed cure time.
Don M
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Even to me, Master of OCD, that seems a bit much. I've been using it once or twice a month and even then it doesn't seem to need "refreshed." I figure in the next few weeks, in anticipation of winter, I will put 2 or 3 coats on, just because. Last year, I was able to 'wax' the car in November and maybe I'll get a chance to do that this year too.
It will be interesting to see how the SNS holds up to an Ohio winter.
Rsurfer
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Who cares about diminishing returns..if you enjoy using it, go for it.:buffing::dblthumb2:
FUNX650
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Two layers of TWSS may just be enough
to fill up the paint—low spots; et al.
OK...Even if two layers is enough:
•If what TW says about layering this
product is true, then that shouldn't stop
TWSS from being able to layer upon itself:
over, and over, and over, ad infinitum...
-Should it?
On the other hand:
•Do you remember the time when ”Wax
build-up” was once the talk of the town:
-Fact; or fiction?
How long does a layer, or two, of
TWSS (usually) suppose to last?
Sounds like your washing method
must be kind of rough-n-tumble?
Again...”Wax build-up”:
Fact; or fiction.
That’s for sure!
Bob
This stuff is nuts. Have not done long term yet, but it sure is cheap. I use it on the glass. I use a ceramic wax, topped with a ceramic spray. But for the winter (in South Dakota) I am going to use it as a top coating as a sacrificial layer for all the road salt. It's tough stuff, but I prefer the shine of my waxes / coatings.
acuRAS82
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Which ceramic wax?
IME it's all about of the prep with SNS. Loach here on the forum and his Youtube channel is WaxMode has gotten almost 5-6 months longevity from it when he polished before application. I applyied it on a bare paint but just with a thorough wash as a prep. Know that I applyied it in high humidity as it started to rain directly after the SNS was applyied. And I got a little bummed when I noticed it where totaly failed after 6 weeks. I do have given it a chance more and applyied it again in better weather conditions. Much better experience when I applyied it and some weeks in now and the water behavior is way better this time. So when it comes to the cure time. I would not apply or get it wet at least not sooner than a couple of hours after the application of the SNS. It's seems like it's something in it that degrades when it gets wet to soon. The Car Craft Auto Detailing Channel on Youtube did mention this when he did a review of the SNS. That he saw a fast degrade in the behavior if doing some beading and sheeting testing. The chemical resistant ability seems to be doing great even if it gets wet to soon as you have seen on many other channels where they do chemical torture testing with it. So I recommend you to let it cure as long as possible before it gets wet. To get the most out of it in the longrun from SNS.
When it comes to the layering of SNS. Remember in the right conditions when applyied it's a very durable protection. So it performance is great even after a wash or 2. There is no need to be topping it regualary after every other wash. So if you want to cause of the TW own recommendation you can do it but don't need to. Then it's also very hard to say how much longer longevity from it you get from layering it constantly. At one time I think that you come to a point where the base coat layer don't has it's stronger bond as in after the first application after a polishing prep. Say you have the 5 months longevity from it's base protection. If you keep topping it up and stop after a few months. You don't get 5 months longevity from it from that point out. So it's not so easy to get to know how it all works when you topping the base protection. I useally goes from the looks from it and when I think that I will be needing to be starting over to fresh bare paint. Also when you are washing you don't always gets it perfectly clean and layering products locks this in and you get like the wax build up so the clarity get lower.