Eldorado2k
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I know you were talking about lubricity, so please don’t take it personal.
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Dr Oldz
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You said “suds do not do anything anyway”
I disagree, I believe suds are beneficial when it comes to washing a dirty vehicle... Always have. I’ve stated my opinion many times including just the other day.
Consider that an open challenge to anyone who disagrees.
The reason waterless or rinseless washes should only (I’m my opinion) be used on lightly dirty/soiled vehicles has nothing to do with the fact that the solutions don’t have suds. The fact they aren’t using free flowing water to rinse away grit/grime. Thus the traditional with a hose is much safer.
I understand why we have rinseless/waterless products due to water restrictions ect. They do a good job considering those situations but not as good as a traditional wash.
Now if you feel suds are important , that’s great and your opinion. Next time your washing your car with your favorite “high suds” shampoo, dump the water out and just use the suds and see how it works!
Eldorado2k
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What I’d really need is another guy... A “detailers helper” to stand alongside me and blow bubbles as I go around the vehicle with my wash mitt.
lol.
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What I’d really need is another guy... A “detailers helper” to stand alongside me and blow bubbles as I go around the vehicle with my wash mitt.lol.
I'll do it Ric!!!
Eldorado2k
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I'll do it Ric!!!
Sorry, I kinda had my mind set on a midget. Lol.
PaulMys
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Lmao!
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I own a house and garage and take the opportunity to try new products and compare what works well during which seasons. I have no issue RW during winter, if you do it often enough the salt mix is usually coming off pretty easily. Sure the car may have some light swirling come spring and then I light polish and go for options to test hydrophobicity, dust repelling, etc. for spring time environment. NOTE: we had a very mild winter this year and I was able to almost bucket wash exclusively... and I wouldn’t say that the minor marring on the car is any less this year than in year’s past when I Rinseless washed 1-3x per week.
It’s all what one makes out of it. I can’t imagine not being able to see real weather beading on a regular basis to compare products’ self-cleaning, resistance to contaminants, etc. But I do understand some people just want the shine and aren’t as obsessed with observing products as I am.
Eldorado2k
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I’m totally with you... My reason for not liking rinseless washes isn’t due to instilling swirls, it’s due to it being sort of a mess with all the dripping towels. Meanwhile it becomes harder to get a vehicle completely clean especially around the windows where your towels only become even dirtier... I’d much rather get to it sooner and get away with a clean waterless wash.
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If I lived in LA or Florida, I would probably never do a rinseless.
But, on those winter days up here in the Northeast where it pops up into the 40's for a few hours, they are kind of our only option.
I don't worry about swirls. I just use the best practices and I deal with any swirling in the Spring.
That being said, I totally agree with rinseless not being able to do what a bucket & hose wash can.
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Yeah i think the more water the better. Nothing beats a bucket wash but sometimes i be lazy
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The Guz
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There have been some reputable professionals who have said the same thing. Michael Stoops (Meguiar's), Yvan Lacroix (formerly of Optimum now with LC), Jason Rose/Dylan Von Kleist (Rupes) just to name a few off the top of my head.
We just get sucked into the thinking that suds are doing something other than looking cool.
A couple years ago this was not possible with the drought in California. Neighbors ratting each other out causing a fine to be issued. DWP supposedly had people going out to see who they could catch, although I never saw this.
A rinseless is not as bad as some people make it out to be.
PaulMys
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Yeah, I remember the drought restrictions, Mike. Horrible deal.
I wasn't trying to make the point that rinseless washes are a bad thing either. I should have mentioned that after a good bucket wash, and I drive through rain, I will do my rinseless washes.
Eldorado2k
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You’re wrong. Ivan Lacroix doesn’t agree with the notion that suds “don’t do anything but look cool”
As a matter of fact, since you seem to regard his word as gospel, why don’t you go ahead and watch this video and listen to him break down the benefits of foam aka suds when it comes to cleaning a dirty surface.
Skip to 1:20 if you want to cut straight to his “sermon Le foam” lol.
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The Guz
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Its nice to be wrong. Although I’m not. Yvan has even mentioned that ONR is the future and shampoo is ancient technology. He said so in the optimum podcast and rag company podcast.
You do know he is a consultant and Nick is using him to sell product. I would do the same as Yvan is well known in the industry. Yvan has even popped up like crazy in the Mckee’s Facebook group.
Anyway just to end this pointless back and forth I will say you’re right
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Eldorado2k
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That’s not a very nice thing to say... Especially considering just 1 post prior you called him a “reputable professional”
Suddenly you’re all but calling him a sellout? I still respect him.
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RE: The value of “Suds; Foam; Bubbles”.
•Even if it were proven they are not
necessary for effective cleaning, many
will still take to heart that they show
that a product is working.
-I suppose there’ll always be the:
”Feelzies vs. Factzies” factions.
•Me, on the other hand:
-I consider a hogshead of suds to be very
nearly equal to that of a cord of prepared
manure and all of its incipient putridity.
Bob
•Even if it were proven they are not
necessary for effective cleaning, many
will still take to heart that they show
that a product is working.
-I suppose there’ll always be the:
”Feelzies vs. Factzies” factions.
•Me, on the other hand:
-I consider a hogshead of suds to be very
nearly equal to that of a cord of prepared
manure and all of its incipient putridity.
Bob
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Not feelin’ the bubbles, huh?
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I will be doing a 2nd coat this weekend of the spray coating. After a week of some rain etc.. I got to say it is legit. Truck beaded great and water rolled right off after driving. Self cleaned great. Truck looked great after a week of driving.
Second coat done. WOW! This product really pops the paint. Next up is the WET WAX to try as a drying aid next wash.
Second coat done. WOW! This product really pops the paint. Next up is the WET WAX to try as a drying aid next wash.
Great to hear! I will be recieving the spray coating and wet wax any day. Going to disinfect it as I open it. Best to be safe.
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Let us know how your results are after using them!