UC + UP or M105 + M205?
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FUNX650
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Here's some real good information on aggressiveness-factors:
http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...anted-know-about-meguiar-s-smat-products.html
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I haven't used M105/M205, but my guess is that UC/UP being over-the-counter products, are more user friendly...more goof-proof. So for a newbie, the Ultimate products would be easier to use, but for someone with experience, the Mirror Glaze products are more aggressive and would be quicker. But again, that's just my guess.
Billy Baldone
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What are you trying to do? One car? What kind of car?
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I've used both. The M series is the more aggressive cut and the Ultimate line has more oils. The M105 has a slight learning curve especially for a newbie. The UC has a longer working time and will tend to not dust. If it were me, on a budget, I would use the UC/UP and see if I obtain satisfactory results. Worst case scenario they will give results you can live with, and save a little more and buy the M 105 and 205 to polish out again in a few months. Especially if it is a daily driver it will need a good polishing again at some point.
Don M
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My personal car is a red, 2006 Suzuki Aerio with (mostly) SS paint. There have been a few fender benders which resulted in the replacement panels being sprayed with BC/CC.
So far, I have mu FIL's silver Chevy 1500 and my MIL's Strawberry Ford Edge on the waiting list for good weather (both BC/CC). Hopefully I will be able to pick up a few more as the weather improves.
BTW, the wife sent me to the grocery store and I picked up some UC /UP while I was there, debate settled.
So far, I have mu FIL's silver Chevy 1500 and my MIL's Strawberry Ford Edge on the waiting list for good weather (both BC/CC). Hopefully I will be able to pick up a few more as the weather improves.
BTW, the wife sent me to the grocery store and I picked up some UC /UP while I was there, debate settled.
dlc95
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If you've never before tried the UC and UP, I imagine you'll like it. It really is easy to use, and really lives up to it's claims.
UC is Meguiar's "go to" product for the vast majority of their demonstrations, at their headquarters in Irvine.
Danube
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Good choice, M105 is for a rotary and if used with DA its not an easy one to work with .. very tricky product for an inexperienced user.
On the other hand M205 is a breeze and top notch product, that clears the marring and haze like no one other product that I've ever used.
On the other hand M205 is a breeze and top notch product, that clears the marring and haze like no one other product that I've ever used.
Mike Phillips
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That was years ago....
When it comes to Meguiar's and other large companies that offer multiple lines for multiple markets, i.e.
Professional Line for the refinishing industry
Detailer Line for the reconditioning industry
Consumer Line for the enthusiast market
Marine Line for the boat detailing world
The products are formulated more specifically for their intended use and their intended user.
It's assumed that anyone working in a body shop has a higher skill level when it comes to machine polishing paint than the person first starting out washing and waxing their Ford Focus.
As such, the Consumer Line, Ultimate Compound, is formulated for ease of use by the masses while still accomplishing the task the name on the bottle says it will tackle.
I find UC much more user-friendly for the average person than M105 and most important, if UC doesn't remove the defects you're trying to remove then chances are very good they're too deep to safely remove using any compound and as a follow-up it's time to start looking at how the deeper defects are being inflicted into the paint and stop the problem at the root cause.
Just to note... the car on the label of Ultimate Compound is one of the many Extreme Makeovers I head up while working for Meguiar's and in charge of the TNOG's also known as The Thursday Night Open Garage classes. Most people don't know that when I started the Thursday Night Open Garage classes they were actually on Wednesday nights and then I moved them to Thursday nights. It is also the TNOGs that I first met Michael Stoops as before he worked for Meguiar's he attended many of the TNOG's.
Here's some pictures showing the Mercedes-Benz on the label of Ultimate Compound.
Here's that Mercedes-Benz looked like when it first arrived to the shop...
After....
My Thursday night guys did the Mercedes, I personally did the BMW
Before
I compounded the entire finish before starting the below process to remove the shallow scratches and expose the deep scratches.
Process
Kind of cool to have two cars, one I was in charge of and one I detailed end up on millions of bottles of Meguiar's products.
There's a little car detailing history for the Car Detailing Coffee Table Book.
:xyxthumbs:
Don M
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Mike, I remember reading both articles. I was just reminded of the change in formula to M105 a day or two ago when I re-read
ALL YOU EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT SMAT PRODUCTS
But all is well on my end, since the wife sent me to Wally World for groceries, I picked up the Ult Comp/Ult Polish while I was there ... I already have, and like the Ult Paste Wax
rops:
ALL YOU EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT SMAT PRODUCTS
But all is well on my end, since the wife sent me to Wally World for groceries, I picked up the Ult Comp/Ult Polish while I was there ... I already have, and like the Ult Paste Wax
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Jaretr1
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I have used all four and here is the differences from my experience:
M105 is one of the compounds by which many are compared. It has very agressive cutting ability. However, it is very tricky and difficult to work with. Lots of dust, flashes quickly and a bear to remove.
UC - is not nearly as aggressive. It is designed for consumers only, not professionals. It has a longer working time, easier to remove, and an added fragrance.
M205-is an excellent overall polish. Much easier to use than M105, and with agressive pads has cutting ability that exceeds most polishes yet finishes perfectly with a polishing pad.
UP is less agressive than M205, and again targeted to the consumer only as a followup to UC. It also has a longer working time and is easier to remove as well as having an added fragrance.
With that said, since M105's introduction, there have been new compounds that have come to market with advanced high tech abrasives that have equal cutting ability to M105, finish much better and are far easier to use. Wolfgang Uber is one for instance.
I havent picked up my bottle of M105 in quite a while.
Keep in mind though, being targeted to consumers only, the UC and UP are actually a little pricey per ounce compared to professional products.
M105 is one of the compounds by which many are compared. It has very agressive cutting ability. However, it is very tricky and difficult to work with. Lots of dust, flashes quickly and a bear to remove.
UC - is not nearly as aggressive. It is designed for consumers only, not professionals. It has a longer working time, easier to remove, and an added fragrance.
M205-is an excellent overall polish. Much easier to use than M105, and with agressive pads has cutting ability that exceeds most polishes yet finishes perfectly with a polishing pad.
UP is less agressive than M205, and again targeted to the consumer only as a followup to UC. It also has a longer working time and is easier to remove as well as having an added fragrance.
With that said, since M105's introduction, there have been new compounds that have come to market with advanced high tech abrasives that have equal cutting ability to M105, finish much better and are far easier to use. Wolfgang Uber is one for instance.
I havent picked up my bottle of M105 in quite a while.
Keep in mind though, being targeted to consumers only, the UC and UP are actually a little pricey per ounce compared to professional products.
Don M
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I think I mentioned that although I've been doing this for a while, currently I really only detail cars for friends and family ... moderately abused cars that are all swirled but not scratched up, so I don't need a compound that is equal to an 800 pound gorilla in a bottle.
It's all good though, even though they're geared towards beginners/novices, UC / UP can be very effective in the hands of a person with a clue.
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Here's some pictures showing the Mercedes-Benz on the label of Ultimate Compound.
My Thursday night guys did the Mercedes, I personally did the BMW
Kind of cool to have two cars, one I was in charge of and one I detailed end up on millions of bottles of Meguiar's products.
There's a little car detailing history for the Car Detailing Coffee Table Book.
:xyxthumbs:
What a cool back story on two pictures I've been look at for years! Thanks, Mike!