Dr Oldz
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I see its on sale now..I'm gonna have to try some I think! How is the look???? Similar to other sealants like WGDGPS?
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I see its on sale now..I'm gonna have to try some I think! How is the look???? Similar to other sealants like WGDGPS?
CEE DOG
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This is from a PM that I sent audiolover (a couple months ago) when he was curious about UPGP tips...
My UPGP tips:
I love all the Ultima products I've used.
Ultima Paint prep plus works as a light polish but also leaves behind a primer for the UPGP. You do not have to use the UPPP. If you don't then you should clean the paint after polishing so the UPGP bonds properly.
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UPGP is extremely easy to apply. The mistake people make is they apply too much. Apply the UPGP by hand and follow the directions! Below is my method which should not contradict the instructions you receive with the product.
1.-Shake the bottle.
2.-Take a clean microfiber applicator and spray 1 spray onto it to prime it.
3.-Spray it once more and do about a 3 SQ FT area.
4.-Apply in circular motions just making sure to overlap and cover the entire area. You are not polishing so no need to rub too hard or over and over. I always finish with straight lines from front to back of the panel. 3 SQ FT is an estimate. Another thing to look for is that your applicator is no longer leaving anything on the paint. But on certain colors and without really good lighting its sometimes hard to tell anyway. I basically make sure I do about 3 SQ FT. Then I'll wipe over to the side a bit where I know I haven't applied any to see if there is still anything coming off the pad. Fred gave me a tip that is a great idea. When you are no longer sure if anything is on the pad touch your clean window with it and you'll be able to see if there is still product on the applicator.
5.-If I don't see anything then its time for (1) more spritz to the applicator.
6.-Repeat until you get to the last panel. Now just walk away. Their may or may not be a slight film on the paint for a bit but it starts it's bonding process immediately. Now just DO NOT touch
Wait 12 hours and inspect. You should be very impressed when you go into your garage 12 hours later... There should be no need to do anything else. This is not a product that you have to buff off. In the unlikely chance that you over applied and there is a streak somewhere after 12 hours of curing simply take some Ultima QD and spray and wipe the streak with a truely high quality MF towel.
Notes:
Even though on some colors or in some lighting it seems like you aren't putting anything on your paint just TRUST the product. It will come out great if you don't over apply. I didn't have any trouble at all even the first time but I have read some people apply too much. It is a little disconcerting not always being able to tell if you are putting anything on your paint.
Assuming you have a garage that isn't dusty you can place the second coat after 12 hours. If there is going to be a little dust on the car then I would qd with Ultima QD spray and then add next coat. I place 3 layers of UPGP over the paint. One coat every 12 hours. (Ask Ron how many coats he had layered once)
My UPGP tips:
I love all the Ultima products I've used.
Ultima Paint prep plus works as a light polish but also leaves behind a primer for the UPGP. You do not have to use the UPPP. If you don't then you should clean the paint after polishing so the UPGP bonds properly.
Ultima Paint Guard Plus
UPGP is extremely easy to apply. The mistake people make is they apply too much. Apply the UPGP by hand and follow the directions! Below is my method which should not contradict the instructions you receive with the product.
1.-Shake the bottle.
2.-Take a clean microfiber applicator and spray 1 spray onto it to prime it.
3.-Spray it once more and do about a 3 SQ FT area.
4.-Apply in circular motions just making sure to overlap and cover the entire area. You are not polishing so no need to rub too hard or over and over. I always finish with straight lines from front to back of the panel. 3 SQ FT is an estimate. Another thing to look for is that your applicator is no longer leaving anything on the paint. But on certain colors and without really good lighting its sometimes hard to tell anyway. I basically make sure I do about 3 SQ FT. Then I'll wipe over to the side a bit where I know I haven't applied any to see if there is still anything coming off the pad. Fred gave me a tip that is a great idea. When you are no longer sure if anything is on the pad touch your clean window with it and you'll be able to see if there is still product on the applicator.
5.-If I don't see anything then its time for (1) more spritz to the applicator.
6.-Repeat until you get to the last panel. Now just walk away. Their may or may not be a slight film on the paint for a bit but it starts it's bonding process immediately. Now just DO NOT touch
Wait 12 hours and inspect. You should be very impressed when you go into your garage 12 hours later... There should be no need to do anything else. This is not a product that you have to buff off. In the unlikely chance that you over applied and there is a streak somewhere after 12 hours of curing simply take some Ultima QD and spray and wipe the streak with a truely high quality MF towel. Notes:
Even though on some colors or in some lighting it seems like you aren't putting anything on your paint just TRUST the product. It will come out great if you don't over apply. I didn't have any trouble at all even the first time but I have read some people apply too much. It is a little disconcerting not always being able to tell if you are putting anything on your paint.
Assuming you have a garage that isn't dusty you can place the second coat after 12 hours. If there is going to be a little dust on the car then I would qd with Ultima QD spray and then add next coat. I place 3 layers of UPGP over the paint. One coat every 12 hours. (Ask Ron how many coats he had layered once
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CEE DOG
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Let me put it this way. If you only love the look of a nuba then you might not like it... or it might change your opinion. It's like a super reflective, clear, and glossy candy shell.
Dr Oldz
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Thats a great Description! Gonna order and try it! Everything else Ultima rocks thus far! Thanks CEE DOG!
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I use 4 Star Pre-Wax Cleanser in the spring to prep the paint surface before applying UPGP (though this coming spring I'll probably be doing some paint correction). I apply the second coat on the next day. I then re-apply ever eight weeks or so, not because the sealant is failing but simply to refresh the protection. When I do this, I do not worry about pre-wax cleansers or prep products. UPGP doesn't seem to be a product that is finicky that way. After all, one can apply it on top of a carnauba wax, and the UPGP will displace the wax molecules.
Given how easy it is to use, it is my preferred protectant for our CR-V. It's just so darn easy to apply. I've never had any problems with streaking. And I can apply it to plastic and metal trim and the cladding.
I suppose Opt-Seal works similarly, but I'm just not tempted to try another sealant for our CR-V. UPGP works so very well. I like the reflective, glossy look on the car; but even if I wasn't absolutely thrilled with it, I'd probably stick with the product anyway. A WOWA product that can be applied to paint and trim--this is just too darn convenient. When it comes to large vehicles, as much time as I can save waxing them, the better!
Given how easy it is to use, it is my preferred protectant for our CR-V. It's just so darn easy to apply. I've never had any problems with streaking. And I can apply it to plastic and metal trim and the cladding.
I suppose Opt-Seal works similarly, but I'm just not tempted to try another sealant for our CR-V. UPGP works so very well. I like the reflective, glossy look on the car; but even if I wasn't absolutely thrilled with it, I'd probably stick with the product anyway. A WOWA product that can be applied to paint and trim--this is just too darn convenient. When it comes to large vehicles, as much time as I can save waxing them, the better!
I've got both products and have been using them a few years. They are absolutely not the same product. UPGP is very thin and light and is clear, while UTTGP is thicker and slimier and greenish.
Both products are great though. UPGP is the longest lasting product I've used on paint, and being so easy to use you can put it on after every wash making your car well protected all the time. I really think it layers over itself as it does seem to add durability when you put multiple layers on 12 hours apart. The only thing to watch out for is to put it on really thin and use a perfectly clean applicator otherwise you will get some streaking. The streaks will go away if you QD it or wash the car, but when you spend the time doing that you could be adding another layer of UPGP instead. With that kind of dilemma I barely used any other product for a long time because UPGP could just be added again.
UTTGP is the longest lasting trim protectant I've ever used. It really darkens plastic and keeps it looking new much longer than any other product I've tried. Trim beads water just like the paint with UPGP on it. On tires it doesn't last as long as it does on trim, and leaves a not too glossy finish.
The only problem I find with Ultima products is the shelf life is questionable. I've had something polymerize in the bottle months after getting it. The sprayer ends up failing because the product hardens in it. I don't know what is unique about my storage conditions as it is pretty constant room temp and moderate humidity, but these things have happened multiple times. Ultima was nice enough to replace my bottles but even now I can't get through much of the bottle before it happens again. Probably the polycharger is too reactive.
I'd say buy the smallest bottle you can get for each product, and use it a lot cause you most likely won't use it up before something happens to the product or the sprayer. It's cheap enough now that it's acceptable. Before when it was really expensive it was questionable for me whether I could recommend it to my friends who only wax once a year or less. It might fail after only one use, when the small bottle could easily do the car 30 times or more.
Both products are great though. UPGP is the longest lasting product I've used on paint, and being so easy to use you can put it on after every wash making your car well protected all the time. I really think it layers over itself as it does seem to add durability when you put multiple layers on 12 hours apart. The only thing to watch out for is to put it on really thin and use a perfectly clean applicator otherwise you will get some streaking. The streaks will go away if you QD it or wash the car, but when you spend the time doing that you could be adding another layer of UPGP instead. With that kind of dilemma I barely used any other product for a long time because UPGP could just be added again.
UTTGP is the longest lasting trim protectant I've ever used. It really darkens plastic and keeps it looking new much longer than any other product I've tried. Trim beads water just like the paint with UPGP on it. On tires it doesn't last as long as it does on trim, and leaves a not too glossy finish.
The only problem I find with Ultima products is the shelf life is questionable. I've had something polymerize in the bottle months after getting it. The sprayer ends up failing because the product hardens in it. I don't know what is unique about my storage conditions as it is pretty constant room temp and moderate humidity, but these things have happened multiple times. Ultima was nice enough to replace my bottles but even now I can't get through much of the bottle before it happens again. Probably the polycharger is too reactive.
I'd say buy the smallest bottle you can get for each product, and use it a lot cause you most likely won't use it up before something happens to the product or the sprayer. It's cheap enough now that it's acceptable. Before when it was really expensive it was questionable for me whether I could recommend it to my friends who only wax once a year or less. It might fail after only one use, when the small bottle could easily do the car 30 times or more.
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Honestly I would highly recommend it. But if you want to re-apply your sealant or lsp more often then I suppose you could skip it. I've never gone without UPPP then UPGP on my Sky... but have used UPGP without it on other cars. My Sky is always garaged and the other cars weren't so I can't compare apples to apples as far as what it adds to durability. I think it makes the paint look great as well though. I suppose you can skip it if you want. Maybe I am biased... They say "Love is blind"
You and Jim are really bad influences on me. Bought the 4oz sealant plus the UPPP to prep the paint. I generally prefer the Nuba look but will give the sealant a shot.
I didn't buy the QD, can I use OIDE, ONR, WW+, Megs Quick Detail if I see streaking?
Thanks!
CEE DOG
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Yeah, the QD isn't my favorite. You can use any QD you want. I use the Ulitma WW. After washing my preference is to sometime go with FK-425. Sometimes I do use the Ultima details spray but only as a drying aid if I just washed it.
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WOW, that's interesting!
I've never used any of the Ultima products. I wonder if these are similar right out of the bottles?
I know that the products for the paint, tires, and trim I use now are quite a bit different and I've never tried using a trim or tire product on the paint but as you mention the nanotechnology polymer based products are probably quite a bit different.
Time will tell!
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CEE DOG
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I was just pointing some people towards this post of yours and I remembered that I poured some samples for people before and all 3 of the sealants were clear!
Something is wrong with your batch I believe.
I do agree with your points though. I'm going to do a little side by side testing.
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Hmm, for uttgp, if you don't shake it maybe it's clear cause the green stuff collects at the bottom. Shake it up real good and it is distributed around. I got some replacements And they also had the green stuff. Upgp never had any green.
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Very interesting! Thanks for teh quick feedback. I definitely shook each of the 3 sealants up very good. Then poured them into 2 oz. clear containers. The UPGP, UTTG, and UIGP were all completely clear.
Today I am going to do some side by side testing on an interior and some trim to see what I can find in obvious differences.
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Brand new bottle of Ultima Trim & Tire Guard Plus, just opened and shaken very well. No hint of green whats so ever.
I can also say the sample that Richard sent me was also clear.
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