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Ultima Sealants: Mythbuster
Introduction:
There has been some discussion lately about the Ultima sealants. Specifically Paint Guard Plus (UPGP), Tire & Trim Guard Plus (UTTG), and Interior Guard Plus (UIGP). Because the color and scent is quite similar among these 3 products some have questioned exactly how similar these 3 products are. I’ve been a huge fan of all 3 products and I use each of them for their intended and recommended purposes. Personally I had never used any of them to take the place of one of the others. Therefore when this discussion began I was curious to see for myself. This morning I got my products and tools together and spent some time in the driveway.
Thoughts, Facts, and Opinions:
Going into testing these 3 products side by side I didn’t know how obvious the differences would be. I assumed each product to be quite different in its chemical composition and each to have it’s own purpose but hadn’t really thought through all the properties that I have observed from each in the past. As I was writing this a few things that I learned (previous to today’s testing) came back to me as follows:
· UTTG works great under the hood and withstands temperatures of over 500 Degrees F. That’s a couple hundred degrees higher then what a paint sealant would be formulated to withstand.
· While UPGP is a wipe on walk away product the UTTG application method depends on the surface you are applying it to. With a “non-porous” surface UTTG must be buffed off the surface. Clearcoat is a non-porous surface (for these purposes anyway) so logic dictates that these products are quite different.
· UIGP has left a “silky soft” feel to the interior surfaces that I have applied it to in the past. While UPGP leaves an extremely slick feel to the paint (or whatever else you apply it to) it doesn’t feel the way UIGP does. I’ve applied UIGP to painted surfaces on my interior and to my chrome shifter. I regularly use UTTG to buff my exterior chrome. Having used all 3 products on chrome I can say there is a difference between the feel of UIGP vs. the other two on chrome.
Average Conditions:
Temperature: 72 Deg F.
Humidity: 28%
Preparation:
Lets get onto the actual side by side preparation and testing. With the use of Ultima Waterless wash, Optimum Power Clean 2:1, Alcohol, and water I cleansed about 2/5ths of the hood of “Green”. Using Optimum Power Clean 2:1 and then water I cleansed the front bumper and the dashboard of “Blue”.
PRODUCTS
PAINT AFTER CLEANING BEFORE SEALING
BUMPER AFTER CLEANING BEFORE SEALING
Application:
After allowing the surfaces to dry I taped off 3 sections on each of the 3 surfaces and labeled them. Due to the small application amount needed with each type of product I decided I would apply one product to all 3 surfaces and then move to the next product. I used a separate applicator for each product. First I applied the UPGP, 2nd the UTTG, and 3rd was UIGP.
Noted Observations:
UPGP as usual was applied very thin. It went on easy across the paint. As I applied it to the plastic of the front bumper I noticed it did not seem to be darkening the bumper and I really had to press down to get a difference. On the interior it went on fine but took a little effort.
UTTGP was applied next. As I applied it to the paint it was immediately obvious to me (and probably even my dog) that it was apples and oranges next to the UPGP. First off, it was actually difficult to spread it across the paint. The applicator didn’t want to move. As far as visual cues the UPGP had gone on almost invisible and was completely invisible within seconds. In stark contrast UTTG left oily looking streaks. As I’m writing this, (3 hours since application)… (Edit: now 6 hours since application) the UTTG streaks are still easily visible on the surface. This makes perfect sense, as it should be buffed off of “non-porous” surfaces. On the bumper the UTTG went on much more easily then the UPGP and darkened the surface a lot more then the UPGP had. On the interior vinyl the UTTG went on pretty good and darkened the surface nicely, but seemed a bit streaky. Here a slight buffing would probably produce a great finish.
Finally I applied the UIGP to each of the 3 surfaces. It didn’t streak nearly as bad on the paint as the UTTG had but it did leave a film. It applied to the paint easily and without sticking the way the UTTG had. Next I applied it to the bumper. Here it went on darker then the UPGP but not as dark as the UTTG. I used the UIGP as intended on the interior and it was the easiest application of the 3 for the vinyl dashboard surface.
Discussion with Sam Lankford (Owner of Ultima):
After completing my application for this I called Sam Lankford to tell him what I was up to. I wanted to hear what he thought about this subject. Since he is the father of these products and knows more about them then we ever will I thought we might get his take. What a concept!
Right off the bat Sam said, “Noooo, these are entirely different formulations!” He said while some companies may do as has been suggested and sell one product under different labels, Ultima does not choose to do business that way. Each product was specifically designed for the recommended surfaces. I asked him if I was causing any damage to the finishes and he said “No, none of them will hurt the paint but 2 of them will of course make a mess.
Sam holds classes on his products at his facility in Bradenton and invited me to stop by next time I’m in that area. He said that this topic is not new to him and he addresses it in the classes. People see for themselves, right there by doing something similar to what I did today.
He said the whole point of the UPGP is to wipe on and walk away. As you would expect if you apply one of the others to your paint you will have to buff it off and you will not end up with the gloss or protection that you did with UPGP.
The particular color and scent that we find in each sealant are properties that identify the products as Ultima. The color and scent does not mean that they are similar in chemical composition.
6 Hours After Application:
Important note regarding tactile feel I haven’t been able to feel a difference in the UTTG and UIGP as of yet. I will report back after 24 hours from application.
I’m going to let the pictures do the talking. Please feel free to provide thoughts, comments, or questions.
Paint Pictures
UTTG STREAKY ON PAINT
UTTG STREAKY ON PAINT
Bumper Pictures
Dashboard Pictures
Final Observations:
-You can spread vegemite on a piece of toast just like you can grape jelly but it’s going to taste different.
-The right tool for the right task-
http://www.autogeek.net/ultima-paint-guard-plus-4.html Currently $14.99 for 4 oz
http://www.autogeek.net/ultima-tire-trim-guard.html Currently $21.99 for 12 oz
http://www.autogeek.net/ultima-interior-guard-12.html Currently $29.99 for 12 oz
Introduction:
There has been some discussion lately about the Ultima sealants. Specifically Paint Guard Plus (UPGP), Tire & Trim Guard Plus (UTTG), and Interior Guard Plus (UIGP). Because the color and scent is quite similar among these 3 products some have questioned exactly how similar these 3 products are. I’ve been a huge fan of all 3 products and I use each of them for their intended and recommended purposes. Personally I had never used any of them to take the place of one of the others. Therefore when this discussion began I was curious to see for myself. This morning I got my products and tools together and spent some time in the driveway.
Thoughts, Facts, and Opinions:
Going into testing these 3 products side by side I didn’t know how obvious the differences would be. I assumed each product to be quite different in its chemical composition and each to have it’s own purpose but hadn’t really thought through all the properties that I have observed from each in the past. As I was writing this a few things that I learned (previous to today’s testing) came back to me as follows:
· UTTG works great under the hood and withstands temperatures of over 500 Degrees F. That’s a couple hundred degrees higher then what a paint sealant would be formulated to withstand.
· While UPGP is a wipe on walk away product the UTTG application method depends on the surface you are applying it to. With a “non-porous” surface UTTG must be buffed off the surface. Clearcoat is a non-porous surface (for these purposes anyway) so logic dictates that these products are quite different.
· UIGP has left a “silky soft” feel to the interior surfaces that I have applied it to in the past. While UPGP leaves an extremely slick feel to the paint (or whatever else you apply it to) it doesn’t feel the way UIGP does. I’ve applied UIGP to painted surfaces on my interior and to my chrome shifter. I regularly use UTTG to buff my exterior chrome. Having used all 3 products on chrome I can say there is a difference between the feel of UIGP vs. the other two on chrome.
Average Conditions:
Temperature: 72 Deg F.
Humidity: 28%
Preparation:
Lets get onto the actual side by side preparation and testing. With the use of Ultima Waterless wash, Optimum Power Clean 2:1, Alcohol, and water I cleansed about 2/5ths of the hood of “Green”. Using Optimum Power Clean 2:1 and then water I cleansed the front bumper and the dashboard of “Blue”.
PRODUCTS
PAINT AFTER CLEANING BEFORE SEALING
BUMPER AFTER CLEANING BEFORE SEALING
Application:
After allowing the surfaces to dry I taped off 3 sections on each of the 3 surfaces and labeled them. Due to the small application amount needed with each type of product I decided I would apply one product to all 3 surfaces and then move to the next product. I used a separate applicator for each product. First I applied the UPGP, 2nd the UTTG, and 3rd was UIGP.
Noted Observations:
UPGP as usual was applied very thin. It went on easy across the paint. As I applied it to the plastic of the front bumper I noticed it did not seem to be darkening the bumper and I really had to press down to get a difference. On the interior it went on fine but took a little effort.
UTTGP was applied next. As I applied it to the paint it was immediately obvious to me (and probably even my dog) that it was apples and oranges next to the UPGP. First off, it was actually difficult to spread it across the paint. The applicator didn’t want to move. As far as visual cues the UPGP had gone on almost invisible and was completely invisible within seconds. In stark contrast UTTG left oily looking streaks. As I’m writing this, (3 hours since application)… (Edit: now 6 hours since application) the UTTG streaks are still easily visible on the surface. This makes perfect sense, as it should be buffed off of “non-porous” surfaces. On the bumper the UTTG went on much more easily then the UPGP and darkened the surface a lot more then the UPGP had. On the interior vinyl the UTTG went on pretty good and darkened the surface nicely, but seemed a bit streaky. Here a slight buffing would probably produce a great finish.
Finally I applied the UIGP to each of the 3 surfaces. It didn’t streak nearly as bad on the paint as the UTTG had but it did leave a film. It applied to the paint easily and without sticking the way the UTTG had. Next I applied it to the bumper. Here it went on darker then the UPGP but not as dark as the UTTG. I used the UIGP as intended on the interior and it was the easiest application of the 3 for the vinyl dashboard surface.
Discussion with Sam Lankford (Owner of Ultima):
After completing my application for this I called Sam Lankford to tell him what I was up to. I wanted to hear what he thought about this subject. Since he is the father of these products and knows more about them then we ever will I thought we might get his take. What a concept!
Right off the bat Sam said, “Noooo, these are entirely different formulations!” He said while some companies may do as has been suggested and sell one product under different labels, Ultima does not choose to do business that way. Each product was specifically designed for the recommended surfaces. I asked him if I was causing any damage to the finishes and he said “No, none of them will hurt the paint but 2 of them will of course make a mess.
Sam holds classes on his products at his facility in Bradenton and invited me to stop by next time I’m in that area. He said that this topic is not new to him and he addresses it in the classes. People see for themselves, right there by doing something similar to what I did today.
He said the whole point of the UPGP is to wipe on and walk away. As you would expect if you apply one of the others to your paint you will have to buff it off and you will not end up with the gloss or protection that you did with UPGP.
The particular color and scent that we find in each sealant are properties that identify the products as Ultima. The color and scent does not mean that they are similar in chemical composition.
6 Hours After Application:
Important note regarding tactile feel I haven’t been able to feel a difference in the UTTG and UIGP as of yet. I will report back after 24 hours from application.
I’m going to let the pictures do the talking. Please feel free to provide thoughts, comments, or questions.
Paint Pictures
UTTG STREAKY ON PAINT
UTTG STREAKY ON PAINT
Bumper Pictures
Dashboard Pictures
Final Observations:
-You can spread vegemite on a piece of toast just like you can grape jelly but it’s going to taste different.
-The right tool for the right task-
http://www.autogeek.net/ultima-paint-guard-plus-4.html Currently $14.99 for 4 oz
http://www.autogeek.net/ultima-tire-trim-guard.html Currently $21.99 for 12 oz
http://www.autogeek.net/ultima-interior-guard-12.html Currently $29.99 for 12 oz
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