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killrwheels@autogeek said:
Supercharged .... we dont know if he used Souveran or its recipe as a basis. We do know that he put it in advertisements, and based on the law might have done something illegal. Wonder why it got pulled so quickly ??

Dengood ..... Menzerna and CMA struck some kind of a deal. As such we are stuck getting it from "other" sellers. Dont buy CMA, PM me and I will show you another distributor. Also note, several of the products, other than polishes, are likely just private labeled CMA creations. Id tell more, but it could get me in alot of trouble. Stay away from CMA !!!!
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I see. Then I'm lucky I got mine PO106FF from Pakshak, instead of CMA (I wanted it in original round bottle, not rebottled product).
 
Excessive Detail said:
Check this out, this was the video killer sent a while ago, the guy uses that expensive zymol wax, its pretty tight.
World’s Most Expensive Car Wash &raquo Australian Car Advice | News Blog
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ohh paul dolton. There is alot of talk about this guy. you will find half the people like him and support him and the other half hate hime with such a pasion.

I would recomend going over to autopia and doing a search for paul dolton and do some investiagtin (sorry to forum jump). Paul pr manager posted a few things (i think under the alias miracle detail). He explains alot of the misconseptions. I would recomend it so that your not being misinformed. I can find the info if you would like, just let me know. I think its only fair for everyone involved to get the facrs from the sourse and not from members on a forum who hate him for w.e reason
 
so im bored so I thought i would find it. it does not awnser everything but it is a start so here it is.
this is a direct quotes from miracle agent.


Dear All,

Paul Dalton of Miracle Detail seems to have created a bit of a stir, so I thought I'd better try and answer a few questions. Starting with why he's not posting himself!

Basically, it's because Paul is extremely busy (detailing and correcting the paintwork of cars, as you may expect) doing 10-12 hours - with a long waiting list meaning little free time even at weekends. So he cannot post on detailing forums as much as he would like. However, he does read them because of his professional interest in detailing.

Therefore, I would like to step in as his marketing/PR guy and 1) explain a bit about the Fifth Gear feature, and 2) try and act as a conduit for any questions you may have for Paul. I will answer them as well as I can, but please bear with me as I am not a detailer myself. I am just as likely to get my terminology wrong as you would talking to me about a 'six page roll-fold in a C5 outer'

Firstly, Fifth Gear.

Fifth Gear were poised to do a feature on Paul before we launched his '5k car wash' service in a bid to raise his profile, establish his credential as a leading detailer in the UK (and beyond) and also spread the 'detailing gospel'. Remember that all publicity for Paul indirectly benefits all professional detailers. I have first hand evidence of other detailers being asked for a similar service to Paul's 5k car wash (normally for less money, as you would expect!).

The Fifth Gear feature, and subsequent mass-media coverage, required Paul's services to be simplified for a mainstream audience. These are people who don't know what a clay bar is and they would think two buckets wholly impractical. They are your mums, dads, girlfriends and 'non-believing' mates. Washing up liquid and a gritty sponge is their car care equipment of choice.

Therefore, the shoot for Fifth Gear was broken down into 'basic stages' and was not completely representative of what Paul does to a client's car. It is about as real as the film Titanic was... dramatising a true story so that everyone 'gets' it, but the details may be slightly different or inaccurate. Leonardo Di Caprio never floated away on an iceberg in real life!

So... two buckets and grit guards. Paul uses multiple buckets for client cars and uses grit guards. For the shoot he used one bucket with a grit guard because the car had been thoroughly detailed prior to the shoot. In effect, he was washing a clean car, for the benefit of the cameras.

As for Zymol Royale, at the time of this shoot, Paul was one of two to three detailers in the UK with Zymol Royale. There are now a few more. The reason for any inaccuracies is due to the time difference between shoot and broadcast date; a period of a couple of months.

Secondly, Paul would like to thank everyone for their interest and support. He has been a bit dismayed about some of the negative comments, especially from those who think he is a guy swanning around with loads of money, 'ripping people off' or who can't detail cars properly! So to address those issues quickly.

'Loadsamoney'? Nope, Paul's 5k car wash is a genuine service but for obvious reasons is a rarity... demand is currently just 1-2 of these per year and as it is based on Paul's hourly rate he doesn't earn any more from this as from a day to day full order book. Normal detailing/paint correction comes in at about 300-600 GBP per car. If it saves a respray or helps a car sell for top money then it's good value. And it's not as if you need him to come over every week.

'A rip off'? Not really. Paul charges 75 GBP plus VAT per hour, which is expensive compared to some detailers, admittedly, but he has invested heavily in his business (Merc van, 4k paint depth gauges, 7k Royale) and has formidable paint correction skills. In the UK, a main dealer charges you 100 GBP plus VAT per hour for an oil and filter change, and an average plumber charges you in the high sixties. So is Paul really pricey when working on the cars that he does? Paul's one of the top few detailers in the UK, if not the world, and I bet your plumber wouldn't be top of the same plumber's league.

'Can't detail cars properly'? What the papers/TV say, surprise, surprise, isn't always that close to reality. It is repackaged, reprocessed and regurgitated for a mass audience. 'Australian microfibre towels and filtered water' were reported third hand by one magazine as 'filtered water imported from Australia'. Quite different and a bit silly. Suffice to say, Paul has 13 years of experience, details cars to extremely high levels and is proud of his professionalism. If he was dropping his sponge on the floor every five minutes, he wouldn't get near a Veyron, would he? The results, his client list and order book show that he is doing something right - and it's not just my marketing, even if I would like to claim that it was, LOL.

Thanks for reading all this and I hope it has given you an insight into the mysterious Paul Dalton. He isn't 'above' contributing forums, he just doesn't have the time. But I will try and log in every now and again, time permitting, of course.
 
CalgaryDetail said:
so im bored so I thought i would find it. it does not awnser everything but it is a start so here it is.
this is a direct quotes from miracle agent.


Dear All,

Paul Dalton of Miracle Detail seems to have created a bit of a stir, so I thought I'd better try and answer a few questions. Starting with why he's not posting himself!

Basically, it's because Paul is extremely busy (detailing and correcting the paintwork of cars, as you may expect) doing 10-12 hours - with a long waiting list meaning little free time even at weekends. So he cannot post on detailing forums as much as he would like. However, he does read them because of his professional interest in detailing.

Therefore, I would like to step in as his marketing/PR guy and 1) explain a bit about the Fifth Gear feature, and 2) try and act as a conduit for any questions you may have for Paul. I will answer them as well as I can, but please bear with me as I am not a detailer myself. I am just as likely to get my terminology wrong as you would talking to me about a 'six page roll-fold in a C5 outer'

Firstly, Fifth Gear.

Fifth Gear were poised to do a feature on Paul before we launched his '5k car wash' service in a bid to raise his profile, establish his credential as a leading detailer in the UK (and beyond) and also spread the 'detailing gospel'. Remember that all publicity for Paul indirectly benefits all professional detailers. I have first hand evidence of other detailers being asked for a similar service to Paul's 5k car wash (normally for less money, as you would expect!).

The Fifth Gear feature, and subsequent mass-media coverage, required Paul's services to be simplified for a mainstream audience. These are people who don't know what a clay bar is and they would think two buckets wholly impractical. They are your mums, dads, girlfriends and 'non-believing' mates. Washing up liquid and a gritty sponge is their car care equipment of choice.

Therefore, the shoot for Fifth Gear was broken down into 'basic stages' and was not completely representative of what Paul does to a client's car. It is about as real as the film Titanic was... dramatising a true story so that everyone 'gets' it, but the details may be slightly different or inaccurate. Leonardo Di Caprio never floated away on an iceberg in real life!

So... two buckets and grit guards. Paul uses multiple buckets for client cars and uses grit guards. For the shoot he used one bucket with a grit guard because the car had been thoroughly detailed prior to the shoot. In effect, he was washing a clean car, for the benefit of the cameras.

As for Zymol Royale, at the time of this shoot, Paul was one of two to three detailers in the UK with Zymol Royale. There are now a few more. The reason for any inaccuracies is due to the time difference between shoot and broadcast date; a period of a couple of months.

Secondly, Paul would like to thank everyone for their interest and support. He has been a bit dismayed about some of the negative comments, especially from those who think he is a guy swanning around with loads of money, 'ripping people off' or who can't detail cars properly! So to address those issues quickly.

'Loadsamoney'? Nope, Paul's 5k car wash is a genuine service but for obvious reasons is a rarity... demand is currently just 1-2 of these per year and as it is based on Paul's hourly rate he doesn't earn any more from this as from a day to day full order book. Normal detailing/paint correction comes in at about 300-600 GBP per car. If it saves a respray or helps a car sell for top money then it's good value. And it's not as if you need him to come over every week.

'A rip off'? Not really. Paul charges 75 GBP plus VAT per hour, which is expensive compared to some detailers, admittedly, but he has invested heavily in his business (Merc van, 4k paint depth gauges, 7k Royale) and has formidable paint correction skills. In the UK, a main dealer charges you 100 GBP plus VAT per hour for an oil and filter change, and an average plumber charges you in the high sixties. So is Paul really pricey when working on the cars that he does? Paul's one of the top few detailers in the UK, if not the world, and I bet your plumber wouldn't be top of the same plumber's league.

'Can't detail cars properly'? What the papers/TV say, surprise, surprise, isn't always that close to reality. It is repackaged, reprocessed and regurgitated for a mass audience. 'Australian microfibre towels and filtered water' were reported third hand by one magazine as 'filtered water imported from Australia'. Quite different and a bit silly. Suffice to say, Paul has 13 years of experience, details cars to extremely high levels and is proud of his professionalism. If he was dropping his sponge on the floor every five minutes, he wouldn't get near a Veyron, would he? The results, his client list and order book show that he is doing something right - and it's not just my marketing, even if I would like to claim that it was, LOL.

Thanks for reading all this and I hope it has given you an insight into the mysterious Paul Dalton. He isn't 'above' contributing forums, he just doesn't have the time. But I will try and log in every now and again, time permitting, of course.
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Wow, thanks, after watching the video I did kinda question his techniques, but this clears it all up.
 
Supercharged, do you like the PO106FF? I want to get some.
 
Whitethunder46 said:
PB's Natty's... No, for real! haha.

The only wax I can possibly see myself buying is Souveran. Let's be real, is there really a difference between Souveran and a Zymol Royale?
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I doubt it.......Remember its the hard work prepping and intial paint finish that make these waxs shine to the extent of dripping..... i doubt you put any hi priced waxs on an Earl Sheib paint job that it will be outstanding........

A pristine surface ready for wax on 2 halfs of a hood with 2 waxs soveran, and Zymol, the difference between the 2 sides would be hard to tell if any difference.....
just my thought......;)
 
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BILL said:
I doubt it.......Remember its the hard work prepping and intial paint finish that make these waxs shine to the extent of dripping..... i doubt you put any hi priced waxs on an Earl Sheib paint job that it will be outstanding........

A pristine surface ready for wax on 2 halfs of a hood with 2 waxs soveran, and Zymol, the difference between the 2 sides would be hard to tell if any difference.....
just my thought......;)
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On 2 halfs of a hood there might not be a difference, BUT where these waxes really shine is when you do the whole car. Wytstang had a thread about that (for souveran anyway).
 
I have to say that after using Max Wax and Souveran, there is no reason why I would need any other "high end" wax. I mean unless I was detailing someones Ferrari and they paid for me to use Zymol Ital or something.
 
Anyone else think for 5k there should be more?

First I would think he would have a walled car wash, no sun, and wind wouldn't be able to blow more dirt on it as your washing it. Second, no two bucket method??? Filtered water??? Washing between steps like claying?
How did he dry it? Personally I believe the less you have to touch it the better, so prefer blowing it dry.

Was the water used for washing filtered or distilled even???

And what's with the applying the wax by hand?

I would be worried my own "hand oils" for lack of a better term would be mixing with it. All in all, I don't see what was any different from what any detailer out there does for much less.

I don't know, I was dissapointed, expected more technology, I don't know sumthin, these cars cost hundreds of times more than what my car did, and this is what they get?
My car gets better treatment.

He's quoting the price of some of some of the products used...yea and???

Your still comin up way short of 5k buddy.
 
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Ohh how ignorange is bliss...


Ok im only posting this to clear a few things up. I dont think its fair to anyone involved for these rumors to starts..

1. the 5K detail was not the one shown, for that detail he takes your car for a week and worls on it. There are pleanty more steps invlolved, I belive its what the 64 stagecar wash is (im not sure though). The 5k detail comes with mulitle coats of wax, as well as the interior is taken car of multiple times (leather conditioning and stuff).


2.For the video the car was alreadt washed, he washed a clean car. Remeber it was for TV not for detailers, the show wanted a clean car to be cleaned again as it looks better on TV

3.I dry my car with a MF cloth. i dont use a leag blower of vacume that can blow. Its not what I do. I will use somthign to they cracks out, but rember with paul it was a 7ish minute clip, he didint have time to show everything, the tv show ededited to a few simple steps to make it mote user freindly

4.With applying wax by hand, it is what is recomened by Zymol, it is an aquired tatse however I have used a few waxes where it is recomeneded. Once you do gte the hang of it (there is a learning cureve) it is more enjoyable as well as the results are better

5. Im not sure what you mean about more tech. so i wont touch it

6. With him quoteing the prices, this is somthing the guys filming it where asking him. He just wasnt like ohh i spent this and this, they wanted to know, again for the viewer. With the cost of the wax, he dosent tell his customers what it costs so i dont see the issue.


I think its time people take a step back and really evaluate the video, cumon its 7 minutes, make a 7 minute detail video for me and we can have just as much fun.


I dont know if anyone will read this, nor do i care. Im just needed to do it for my own health.

Ignorance is bliss... i guees
 
I think you are all digging way to deep into this and have certainly taken the original content off track, so bring it back, or we are closing it down.

High End Waxes
 
Well, I do plan on spending some money on a nice carnauba soon, and its going to be suoveran, or some zymol under $100.

I dont need durability, I'll have a sealant underneath for that, I just want super wetness!

Killer, why dont you try out your ridiculously priced ital and tell us if its better than souv?
 
I have now used both versions of Ital, original and new. All things considered Souveran is still the winner. The new Ital loses to much in price as not "all that better" and more than 400 times the price at 360.00.
 
killrwheels@autogeek said:
I have now used both versions of Ital, original and new. All things considered Souveran is still the winner. The new Ital loses to much in price as not "all that better" and more than 400 times the price at 360.00.
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Hmmm now I just have to figure out if ur sayin that cuz ur an admin at autogeek and they dont sell zymol....

I wonder :p;)
 
ron231 said:
Hmmm now I just have to figure out if ur sayin that cuz ur an admin at autogeek and they dont sell zymol....

I wonder :p;)
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Scott is right. Souveran is the best wax money can buy. If you are willing to do a side by side test Souveran VS other high end waxes - you are welcome to, but I think it's not worth spending so much just for the test. Zymol Royal might be better then Souveran, but it cost $7,000. Are you willing to spend that much on a wax? I'm not...
Keep in mind that Souveran was created for blacks and reds, where other waxes were for all colors.
 
Well I just got a half container of zymol carbon from a member on autopia for $35 including shipping ($25 without) which is also supposedly for dark colors.

I was going to try souveran, but no one is selling any half containers, and i have heard good things about carbon too.

Considering my car is black, both of these are suited for my car...
 
You can imagine why I thought this was the 5 or what is it up to? 10k car wash. The title of the video was World's Most Expensive Car Wash and underneath the video itself the caption read...

This guy gets to work over every detail of the most exotic of exotics super cars, in fact he won’t touch my poor WRX even if I pay him. And how much does he charge? around $10,000 USD. Or $13,000 AUD. Watch the video now and you’ll see why, the attention to detail and the methodical steps involved are almost insane. If that wasn’t enough, you gotta see what he uses to clean the cars, such as a $16,000 AUD tub of carnauba wax.
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So I'm sure I'm not the only one scratching their head after watching that video. I certainly wasn't trying to start rumors, just gave my opinion of what I thought I was watching. Now, after your explanation, about this NOT being the multi thousand dollar car treatment, if I were him, I'd want the vid off the internet with those captions around it. People everywhere must be like "huh"?

Regarding drying a car, I've used nothing but English leather chamois for years, have used MF cloths and I've used a cordless blower, MY preferred method of them all is the blower, for obvious reasons, the chance of introducing swirls is eliminated. AND you don't have to worry about that slight water film that starts getting left behind, once the dryer of choice starts to get a little too damp. I don't care if someone uses the wings of ten thousand butterflies, the ears of African elephants or the oiled skin of a milk fed mountain goat. Common sense is not so common sense.

Regarding applying Zymol by hand...the God of detailing himself couldn't convince me that that isn't just wrong.
It's one taste I won't be acquiring. If it were with gloves that would be another story, but not raw skin which would be contributing their own oils to the wax and none so evenly either. This is the stuff urban legends are made of and for that reason, a great marketing ploy. Bologna.

What I meant about more tech was the guy was using a bucket, a wash mitt and a Makita in the video...things EVERYONE has. Nothing whatsoever out of the ordinary. I expected something like a half mile long car wash with nothing but purified water streaming out of computer controlled jets above and below the car before he would even begin to wash it by hand.
Then when it got to him, he should have a bucket of purified holy water blessed by the Dali Llama and a brand new mitt made from the arse hairs of an albino Rhesus Macaque blessed by the Pope. Then, I expected as he was washing the car to be explaining how the car will be bathed in ultra-violet light inside and out for the next 48 hours to kill off all bacteria, then bathed in a silver and gold chloride solution, followed by electron micro-analysis of the depth of the paint. Then, I expected him to explain how he has the worlds only fully automated computer driven polishing machine, which abrades the surface of the car to within +/- 1micron for THE most flawless finish ever to be beheld by human beings to date.


But then my expectations were a little high.

Here's to your health.
 
{FzS}BlacKMagicK said:
You can imagine why I thought this was the 5 or what is it up to? 10k car wash. The title of the video was World's Most Expensive Car Wash and underneath the video itself the caption read...



So I'm sure I'm not the only one scratching their head after watching that video. I certainly wasn't trying to start rumors, just gave my opinion of what I thought I was watching. Now, after your explanation, about this NOT being the multi thousand dollar car treatment, if I were him, I'd want the vid off the internet with those captions around it. People everywhere must be like "huh"?

Regarding drying a car, I've used nothing but English leather chamois for years, have used MF cloths and I've used a cordless blower, MY preferred method of them all is the blower, for obvious reasons, the chance of introducing swirls is eliminated. AND you don't have to worry about that slight water film that starts getting left behind, once the dryer of choice starts to get a little too damp. I don't care if someone uses the wings of ten thousand butterflies, the ears of African elephants or the oiled skin of a milk fed mountain goat. Common sense is not so common sense.

Regarding applying Zymol by hand...the God of detailing himself couldn't convince me that that isn't just wrong.
It's one taste I won't be acquiring. If it were with gloves that would be another story, but not raw skin which would be contributing their own oils to the wax and none so evenly either. This is the stuff urban legends are made of and for that reason, a great marketing ploy. Bologna.

What I meant about more tech was the guy was using a bucket, a wash mitt and a Makita in the video...things EVERYONE has. Nothing whatsoever out of the ordinary. I expected something like a half mile long car wash with nothing but purified water streaming out of computer controlled jets above and below the car before he would even begin to wash it by hand.
Then when it got to him, he should have a bucket of purified holy water blessed by the Dali Llama and a brand new mitt made from the arse hairs of an albino Rhesus Macaque blessed by the Pope. Then, I expected as he was washing the car to be explaining how the car will be bathed in ultra-violet light inside and out for the next 48 hours to kill off all bacteria, then bathed in a silver and gold chloride solution, followed by electron micro-analysis of the depth of the paint. Then, I expected him to explain how he has the worlds only fully automated computer driven polishing machine, which abrades the surface of the car to within +/- 1micron for THE most flawless finish ever to be beheld by human beings to date.


But then my expectations were a little high.

Here's to your health.
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That was just a show off. Nobody is paying $10k for a car wash/ nor a full detail. I could believe up to $1000, but everything else is just a commercial, just to keep people in fornt of their televisions while they are playing commercials. ;)
 
ron231 said:
Hmmm now I just have to figure out if ur sayin that cuz ur an admin at autogeek and they dont sell zymol....

I wonder :p;)
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I think my past reviews and true outlook on all products means that I am quite fair in assessment. (I still offer Menzerna as the best paint polish system ever). I am trying to save you a couple bucks as you wont see any difference other than a bigger credit card bill.

Carbon and creme stink ... no offense, but these are Zymols starting line. These will look alot like most paste waxes offered by several other companies. To date, only Destiny has been worth the Zymol experience (although considering price, its a no-no), and I am trying to get my hands on some Glasur as its makeup is very similar to Destiny and Souveran with white carnauba being the main ingredient.

Remember when looking at ingredients, montan wax and beeswax do absolutely NOTHING for protection or looks. They are added almost like fillers ..
 
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