Ultra High Gloss recommendations please

[Submariner]

I think I saw somewhere a poster talking about a really high gloss wet look wax.
At the time I thought thats a waste of time ... Collinite 476S looks Fabulous, why would anyone need more??

However, Having jewelled most of the car with 3M Ultrafina SE and an Ultrafina pad, I was really really pleased, it really added a sort of “POP” to the glossy look.

However after applying my 3 coats of pre winter Collinite 476S protection, yes its lovely and greasy, and shines very well. But It seemed to have muted down the “uber pop” like shine the Ultrafina left.

its still a great finish ... just a shame not to maintain the amazing shiny look I got just after jewelling it with Ultrafina SE.
after applying the 3 coatings of Collinite, its still a good finish but just about better than it was before machine polishing it.(note the S Class paint was previously in an excellent and a waxed condition)

At first I assumed, applying the wax with a Rupes white ultrafine soft pad, this had slightly hazed off the Ultrafina finish. So tried 2 panels applying the wax manually, with very soft microfibre foam pads. and got the Same effect!

So I am ideally looking for a wax or sealant that buffs off to deliver that glossy wet look shine, and then apply Collinite on top!
Or even a sort of sacrificial layer one waxes over the Collinite, as long as it doesnt degrade the staying power of the Collinite! ( the latter being the most important over the Winter .... as she lives outside!

I wont compromise the Collinite barrier, as tbh imo nothing lasts nearly as well.
I just wondered if there was a product that puts back the amazing ultra glossy shine.

 

[infosponge]

You should look into the collinite No. 915 its there high carnuba show wax, I believe it provides the most gloss of all there waxes/sealants. I have used it on my black vehicles with great durability for what it is.

 

[acuRAS82]

I would try toppers on the Collinite, versus Collinite on top (in which case I believe Collinite will dominate the look). Depending on paint color, substituting to 915 or 845 instead may help.

Toppers that could change the paints’ look to more glossy include: Pinnacle Souveran spray wax, PA High Gloss, PA Gold Zircon, Fuzion Spray wax, Optimum Car Wax, Duragloss Aquawax, etc.

 

[Submariner]

I would try toppers on the Collinite, versus Collinite on top (in which case I believe Collinite will dominate the look). Depending on paint color, substituting to 915 or 845 instead may help.

Toppers that could change the paints’ look to more glossy include: Pinnacle Souveran spray wax, PA High Gloss, PA Gold Zircon, Fuzion Spray wax, Optimum Car Wax, Duragloss Aquawax, etc.

Thanks would these toppers damage the Collinites longevity?

 

[Submariner]

You should look into the collinite No. 915 its there high carnuba show wax, I believe it provides the most gloss of all there waxes/sealants. I have used it on my black vehicles with great durability for what it is.

Thanks

 

[PaulMys]

Thanks would these toppers damage the Collinites longevity?

Nope. Not in my experience.

I top 476 with DG Aquawax. Makes my metallic pop like crazy. Gloss is very nice.

As for longevity, I did a full decon, clay, polish and coat of 476 on June 7th. Beading is still incredible.

 

[Rsurfer]

Ultrafina is oily and has some filling effect. Did you do an IPA wipe down before applying Collinite? If not, Collinite might have muted the finish by removing the oils in the polish. Hope that makes sense.

 

[acuRAS82]

Nope. Not in my experience.

I top 476 with DG Aquawax. Makes my metallic pop like crazy. Gloss is very nice.

As for longevity, I did a full decon, clay, polish and coat of 476 on June 7th. Beading is still incredible.

Agreed. These toppers won’t hurt your Collinite.

 

[MattPersman]

Oils don’t really last from the 3m finishing stuff. Looks great initially though

The durable stuff doesn’t typically have an overly wet oily look so it will actually tone down the gloss. Usually the highest point of gloss on your paint (as read by a gloss meter) is when it’s freshly polished. Once you top it, it will decrease

I think DG111 or 105 look better than 476 and last longer for me too especially if you mix with DG 601


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[pickles]

Pinnacle souveran waxes are awesome gloss products. Use the paste or liquid and refresh with Souveran spray and or crystal mist QD. Easy products to use and the results are beautiful.

 

[Submariner]

Nope. Not in my experience.

I top 476 with DG Aquawax. Makes my metallic pop like crazy. Gloss is very nice.

As for longevity, I did a full decon, clay, polish and coat of 476 on June 7th. Beading is still incredible.

Thanks, is that Duragloss Aquawax?

 

[Submariner]

Ultrafina is oily and has some filling effect. Did you do an IPA wipe down before applying Collinite? If not, Collinite might have muted the finish by removing the oils in the polish. Hope that makes sense.

I didnt wipe down with IPA , as 3M assured me there are no fillers in Ultrafina SE; but I agree with you it must be slightly oily, well it looks like it when you polish it with a DA.

 

[TTQ B4U]

IMO the gloss is less the product and more the polish. That said, I have found coatings deliver the best gloss that can actually be seen/noticed to my eyes. McKee's coating is great and while not the most hydrophobic, I find it's look fantastic. I ran it on my Audi for most of the time I owned it. I also love GYEON Products and am very happy with Q2Pure on my Infiniti.

Again however, the key is in the polish.

McKee's Coating:

Reflection off door:

GYEON Q2Pure topped with Skin:

Reflection off Hood:

 

[Submariner]

Oils don’t really last from the 3m finishing stuff. Looks great initially though

The durable stuff doesn’t typically have an overly wet oily look so it will actually tone down the gloss. Usually the highest point of gloss on your paint (as read by a gloss meter) is when it’s freshly polished. Once you top it, it will decrease

I think DG111 or 105 look better than 476 and last longer for me too especially if you mix with DG 601


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Appreciate the explanation, as a newbie I was scratching my head. It looked fantastic after wiping off the Ultrafina SE, and then as you said sort off muted down the wet look shine after the Collinite was applied.

Its still good though, and I will live with it for the longevity .

Photo of wing done 2 days ago, rained both nights so a bit dirty but still presentable imo
For a first attempt ... seems squirl free
Note the bonnet was not polished yet.

 

[Submariner]

IMO the gloss is less the product and more the polish. That said, I have found coatings deliver the best gloss that can actually be seen/noticed to my eyes. McKee's coating is great and while not the most hydrophobic, I find it's look fantastic. I ran it on my Audi for most of the time I owned it. I also love GYEON Products and am very happy with Q2Pure on my Infiniti.

Again however, the key is in the polish.

McKee's Coating:

Reflection off door:

GYEON Q2Pure topped with Skin:

Reflection off Hood:

That looks excellent.

When you say .. “the key is in the polish.”
Are you saying I need to up my game on getting a better polished surface?
( I certainly wont be offended .. I am here to learn and improve)

Regarding mirror like reflections.
Do Black cars when polished perfectly reflect better than Silver cars polished equally well?

I ask as my silver car is not as reflective as a new 2018 black Bently I saw at the specialist Bently detailers.

Note that was in the workshop and mine is outside ...
maybe its my imagination but the level of shine seems to change inside and outside but then its my perception or excuse LOL

 

[vincec]

Pinnacle souveran waxes are awesome gloss products. Use the paste or liquid and refresh with Souveran spray and or crystal mist QD. Easy products to use and the results are beautiful.

^^^ I agree. I clay, polish, and wax with Liquid Souveran and use Souveran Spray wax as a drying aid weekly. I get 5 months protection on my daily drivers that live outside.

 

[SWETM]

I have a silver metallic paint. It's hard to get it to stand out beside a perfect polished black paint. The thing I have experienced is it's show a big difference from the protection that leaves the warm carnuaba glow vs the ceramic toppers and some sealants. Gyeon Wet Coat did almost make the finish to crisp and shiny for my taste. There the Sonax BSD (brilliant shine detailer) was a great crispy look from. Then I have used a couple of others QD not sold on AGO unfortuneally that left the more glowing finish. Think that you would like the Polish Angel High Gloss. That one really makes metallic flakes pops and gets a finish to stand out. The fun with toppers is you can slightly change the look once and a while.

Your fender looks great! Is that the paint changing color to light blue or is it reflections?

/Tony

 

[TTQ B4U]

That looks excellent.

When you say .. “the key is in the polish.”
Are you saying I need to up my game on getting a better polished surface?
( I certainly wont be offended .. I am here to learn and improve)

Regarding mirror like reflections.
Do Black cars when polished perfectly reflect better than Silver cars polished equally well?

I ask as my silver car is not as reflective as a new 2018 black Bently I saw at the specialist Bently detailers.

Note that was in the workshop and mine is outside ...
maybe its my imagination but the level of shine seems to change inside and outside but then its my perception or excuse LOL

That looks excellent.

When you say .. “the key is in the polish.”
Are you saying I need to up my game on getting a better polished surface?
( I certainly wont be offended .. I am here to learn and improve)

Not at all, just noting that I believe shine is as a result of the polishing. A jeweled finish is key.

Regarding mirror like reflections. Do Black cars when polished perfectly reflect better than Silver cars polished equally well?

Yes. Nothing beats pure black. I miss it vs my metallic finish now

I ask as my silver car is not as reflective as a new 2018 black Bently I saw at the specialist Bently detailers.

I was about to post some lighter color including silver vehicles to show you that I had to leave the house.

Note that was in the workshop and mine is outside ...
maybe its my imagination but the level of shine seems to change inside and outside but then its my perception or excuse LOL

Lighting certainly plays a role in its appearance. If I would slow down to take better photos and set up better lighting I'm sure I would be doing myself a favor



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[Submariner]

Not at all, just noting that I believe shine is as a result of the polishing. A jeweled finish is key.



Yes. Nothing beats pure black. I miss it vs my metallic finish now



I was about to post some lighter color including silver vehicles to show you that I had to leave the house.



Lighting certainly plays a role in its appearance. If I would slow down to take better photos and set up better lighting I'm sure I would be doing myself a favor



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Thanks for the useful info ... very helpful as its my first time.

 

[Submariner]

I have a silver metallic paint. It's hard to get it to stand out beside a perfect polished black paint. The thing I have experienced is it's show a big difference from the protection that leaves the warm carnuaba glow vs the ceramic toppers and some sealants. Gyeon Wet Coat did almost make the finish to crisp and shiny for my taste. There the Sonax BSD (brilliant shine detailer) was a great crispy look from. Then I have used a couple of others QD not sold on AGO unfortuneally that left the more glowing finish. Think that you would like the Polish Angel High Gloss. That one really makes metallic flakes pops and gets a finish to stand out. The fun with toppers is you can slightly change the look once and a while.

Your fender looks great! Is that the paint changing color to light blue or is it reflections?

/Tony

Thanks Tony
3 coats of Collinite seems to turn a sharp Silver into warmer silver ... must be the Carnuba ?
Think its just the lighting making the blue tinge.

Not as reflective as the above black car :/-


Today is a sunny day (with bonnet done yesterday wing 2 days ago, so now a bit dusty, grill not done yet) it looks like this