Unapologetic, 600-HP Viper Builds on Roots for ’08

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By James M. Amend
WardsAuto.com, Sep 6, 2007 10:11 AM

ALTON, VA – By taking the ’08 Dodge Viper SRT10 up to 600 hp, the folks at Chrysler LLC haven’t just swiped the power crown in American sports cars from the venerable Chevrolet Corvette, they’ve stomped on it, given it a swift kick to the curb and finished with a chin flick to their Detroit rivals.
Of course, engineers at General Motors Corp. have made it known since Dodge first announced specifications on the new Viper in January that they’re at work on a revolution of sorts themselves – a not-so-top-secret, 650-hp Corvette, reportedly called the ZR1. The word on the street is GM is readying the ZR1 for the ’09 model year.
But given the Corvette’s recent interior upgrades and reputation for well-heeled road manners, it would seem logical to assume the Viper’s reign might go the way of Edward V if the revamped version weren’t such a ridiculous joy to drive.
Back to those numbers, though. In addition to 600 hp, the new Viper delivers 560 lb.-ft. (759 Nm) of torque, enough to send the car to 60 mph (97 km/h) in less than 4 seconds. The vehicle is capable of 200 mph (322 km/h), Dodge says.
Engineers trace the performance boost back to displacement gains and a more efficient breathing system, evidenced by Viper’s dramatically enlarged hood louvers and redesigned hood scoop.
Although the ’08 Viper retains the deep-skirted aluminum V-10 engine block from the ’02 model, engineers increased the bore 0.04 ins. (1 mm) to raise displacement to 8.4L from 8.3L. They also added a swinging pickup package – a throwback to 1960s-era NASCAR racers – to improve oil pressure at high rpm ranges and during extreme cornering.
But anywhere between 50 and 60 additional horsepower comes directly via new cylinder heads from Linamar Corp. that feature CNC-milled combustion chambers, larger valves and variable-valve-timing. Tubular air-gap headers improve exhaust flow and accelerate exhaust light-off for more efficient catalyst performance.
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’08 Dodge Viper SRT10 on track at Virginia International Raceway.
To help put the added power to the pavement, engineers added a new, smaller-diameter, twin-disc clutch that reduces rotation inertia 18% and improves clutch feel. The Tremec T56 6-speed transmission also adds 10% wider gears to handle the extra torque, and keeps the shift-skip between first and fourth gears to maximize fuel economy. Throws are noticeably shorter for ’08, as well.
All that and the new Viper still meets federal Tier 2, Bin 5 and California Low Emission Vehicle 2 regulations.
“Pretty damn awesome,” grins Kipp Owen, director of Chrysler’s Street Racing & Technology Engineering operation, during a press event here for the fourth-generation Viper.
Awesome, that is, if you’re an engineer or you get paid to drive fast in circles on Sundays. Because to the modestly initiated, the Viper’s extra 90 hp stays mostly in the paddock. Sure, there’s seemingly endless amounts of power to carry the Viper around the Virginia International Raceway, but little need to exit third gear save for several brief seconds down the track’s two straightaways.
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Then again, that’s also what historically has separated the Viper from the Corvette. Since its debut in 1991, the Viper has catered to a more discriminating skill set, or at least the monied few unafraid to drop $85,000 on a car and then push it to their limit on rented track time.
The ’08 version retains its raw connection to the track by continuing to eschew traction and stability control. And since the suspension communicates so closely with the roadway, the Viper’s ride ranks from exhausting during long commutes to superb during more aggressive driving at the raceway or on winding countryside roads along the way to nearby Durham, NC.
The Viper’s handling rates among the best American manufacturers can provide, thanks to a nearly perfect 50/50 weight distribution and a fully independent 4-wheel suspension with lightweight, high-performance aluminum control arms, dampened by lightweight coils over shock absorbers.
The car retains its M44-4 rear axle from Dana Corp. but sports a new GKN Visco-Lok speed-sensing limited-slip differential for better grip.
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Dodge Viper SRT10 powerplant increases to 8.4L and delivers segment-leading 600 hp.
Wheels are 18 ins. in front and 19 ins. in the rear, with 10-spoke forged discs optional for the first time. Also new for ’08 are Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 non-run-flat tires with a 4-groove tread design. Stopping power comes via 14-in. (36-cm) brake rotors that use Brembo dual opposing calipers.
Taken together, the powertrain upgrades and taught suspension setup make for spectacular fun on the track. The added horsepower and torque are particularly discernable in and out of VIR’s tight turns, while the beefed-up rear axle, massive rear tires and big brakes boost confidence through the corners.
The new Viper best displays that combination on the raceway’s northern most section, where the course demands drivers jump on the brake pedal into a sweeping downhill turn and then exit heavy on the throttle into an uphill straightaway. Gathering speed to the straightaway’s apex alongside pit row, the Viper’s smooth clutch, short throws and enormously wide power band easily make up for any driver inadequacies.
From there it’s fast through the start/finish and downhill again, where in a split second you’re back on those wonderfully oversized brakes and downshifting confidently into a horseshoe turn. That leads to a set of twisties, where the Viper’s nose simply refuses to take a bad line, and then into another high-speed run along the track’s southern straightaway.
’08 Dodge Viper SRT10Vehicle typeFront-engine, rear-wheel-drive 2-door coupe/convertibleEngine8.4L (510 cu. in.) OHV V-10 aluminum block/aluminum headPower(SAE net) 600 hp (450 KW) @ 6,100 rpmTorque560 lb.-ft. (760 Nm) @ 5,000 rpmCompression ratio10.2:1Bore x stroke (inches)4.055 x 3.96Transmission6-speed manualWheelbase98.8 ins. (251 cm)Overall length175.6 ins. (446 cm)Overall width75.2 ins. (191 cm)Overall height47.6 ins. (120.9 cm)Curb weightcoupe, 3,450 lbs. (1,564.9 kg); convertible 3,440 lbs. (1560.4 kg)Base price$84,745 (coupe); $83.995 (convertible)U.S. fuel economy city/highway (mpg)13/22 (18.1/10.7 L/100 km)Market competitionChevrolet Corvette Z06, Porsche GT3

But out on the freeway, the Viper won’t be confused with more touring-minded sports cars. Dodge has never apologized for the vehicle’s utter rawness, and every peck in the road that thumps the backside serves as a reminder of its barely legal setup.
The car still presents a pleasant surprise or two, however. During the return drive south to Durham, an afternoon cloudburst soaked the roadway, reducing visibility to a matter of feet for most of the route and even closing some sections of Highway 501. A white-knuckle ride, for sure, with thoughts of becoming the latest addition to wreckedexotics.com, but the Viper splashed through without incident.
Overall, the ’08 Viper retains its classic styling. There’s still no power top on the convertible model, another example the no-frills approach that could frustrate some. The owner’s manual proves little help in figuring out the do-it-yourself top’s perplexing design. It took a Dodge product expert to finally button up the car’s to ward off the tobacco-country heat during our test drive.
The ’08 Viper retains a pleasantly Spartan interior that leaves little to get in the way of aggressive driving. Adjustable pedals, which help the car accommodate drivers of all sizes, and over-the-top seat bolsters provide an extra degree of control on and off the track.
But it is an overstatement to say Dodge has cast a wider net with the ’08 Viper. It might be a more forgiving Viper, but kinder and gentler it is not. There’s plenty of opportunity to go from zero to a pile of twisted metal in seconds.
As a result, longtime Viper enthusiasts will find the same back-to-basics template, and those lucky few newbies writing the check for the first time will find it surprisingly patient.
The competition, meanwhile, just finds itself playing catch-up.
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Anyone knows the price on the zR1??

That green is so awesome on the Viper....... Im seriously thinking about getting one just because of the color....now im starting to sound like my wife...
 
ZR1 will likely list at 100k minimum as is a done deal. Motortrend took a Lingenfelter prepped Z06 will no supercharging, just motor to tune of 647hp, and showed what it can likely do against the new 600hp Viper.

Basically it will outrun it in EVERY category other than 0=60 where they tie at like 3.9 seconds. It was a great article. One that showed with factory power output, exact pricing, the Viper will get you noticed the the Vette will win you some races.

With a new owner for Chrysler, the Viper program is going to be axed if they cannot produce more sales and without discount. It likely means it will not be a raw powerhouse in the future, as the new owner's are not car guys and will shape up the division, or split it up and sell off the tasty parts to others. The limited nature is/will likely be its best selling point.
 
Gorgeous machine, the Viper just keep on getting better and better with age!!!
 
Everyone has a Z06 though, the Viper would be much more unique...

I don't have one.

Viper is a turd. 8.4L should produce 900 horses in supercar territory.

Z06 is sex on tires. every angle looks great to me... I think it is becuase it looks like a Ferrari Maranello with American noises from the pipes.
 
I'd pass on the viper, yea its fast, but has no control, I'd rather a Z06.

Actually, the Viper has plenty of control. It just doesn't have all of the "I can't really drive this car so I will rely on electronics to save my ass" gizmos. Which means, for the general public, that it is much easier to go fast on the track in a Z06 than in a Viper.

Anyone that doesn't respect that can get a donkey punch from Surfer! :D
 
I don't have one.

Viper is a turd. 8.4L should produce 900 horses in supercar territory.

Z06 is sex on tires. every angle looks great to me... I think it is becuase it looks like a Ferrari Maranello with American noises from the pipes.

I appreciate you taking that comment literally. I'm saying that a Z06 is a common vehicle to be seen. The Viper is unique.
 
I love the Viper. It's a fun car to drive. When the price goes down a little I will consider new Viper. It looks like the 08 Vipers are finally starting to hit the dealers but the dealers aren't dealing on them.
 
I don't have one.

Viper is a turd. 8.4L should produce 900 horses in supercar territory.

Z06 is sex on tires. every angle looks great to me... I think it is becuase it looks like a Ferrari Maranello with American noises from the pipes.

There are a LOT of Z06s around. The car is impressive, no doubt about it. I just hate how it looks pretty much like a C6 to the untrained eye. Nothing wrong with the C6, as it is a great looking car on it's own, I would just like for the Z to stand out a little more.

I hardly think the Viper is a turd. Not to mention, while Chevy had to supercharge the Z to get the ZR1 power out of it, there is still a lot left in a NA Viper motor. Will they tap it? Who knows, but I hope so. They really need to put it on a diet though. The Z and especially the ZR do really well in that dept. I think they are shooting for the 2900 lb area for the ZR1. Impressive!
 
I don't have one.

Viper is a turd. 8.4L should produce 900 horses in supercar territory.

Z06 is sex on tires. every angle looks great to me... I think it is becuase it looks like a Ferrari Maranello with American noises from the pipes.
Puleeeeze....the motor is bullet proof and obviously you have never driven one, the whole point of the motor was to not only have the HP but massive torque at any rpm and gear. The motor is highly unstressed and can makes gobs of power n/a or forced induction. Viper is a turd, hah, is that your P-car in the pic? How about you meet me at Sebring, VIR, or Road Atlanta and see how a turd run's. You must have been watching Barney on tv when the snakes were dominating races.

I'd pass on the viper, yea its fast, but has no control, I'd rather a Z06.
Ok this is a pet peeve of mine, the Viper is one of the best handling cars around everyone seems to have this misconception their only good in a straight line, Vipers have been banned from some leagues b/c of "other" manufacturers complaining they couldn't keep up, and in some other sanctions kept handicapping the Viper only to still have it dominate, untill they handicapped so much it couldn't. Like Blk45 said, it's a pure drivers car, basically last of its breed, ABS wasn't even offered untill 01'.

How about the awesome Paul Mumford, who took his nearly stock ACR Viper with a few tweeks, and took on factory backed teams from BMW to Porsche etc, and b!tch slapped them on the track. Here's all these professional racers and full race teams, and they lost to a privateer.

ZO6 is borring in comparison, excellent car no doubt, mother and her boyfriend have an 08'. I'd still take our 01' Viper over it any day. It's not raw, its not connected, its missing "character", of which the Viper has loads of. The new ZR1, they can supercharge it all they want, sure it's gonna be fast as hell, but to pay that much for the Vette, no thanks, I'll mod a ZO6 instead. And has anybody on here actually driven a s/c'd car on the track? Can you say heat soak, give it a couple laps and even with an intercooler they'll have to pull off the track. SRT team has already said they'll have an n/a package available bumping the power up to around 700 n/a, of which parts will be able to be bought through any dealer.

Edmunds pretty much summed it up:
The Z06 is stonk fast but, to most, it looks like any other Vette. And, to be completely honest, when driven back to back against a new Viper, it feels utterly emasculated.
 
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I like both the 08 Viper and the 08 Z06. Having one of each is ok with me. I think they're both going to look fine in my garage.
 
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I like both the 08 Viper and the 08 Z06. Having one of each is ok with me. I think they're both going to look fine in my garage.
Agree, and like I said, ZO6 is an excellent car. Two totally different vehicles, one a more comfortable sports car that can easily handle daily driver duties. The other a raw, brutal machine that happens to be street legal :D .


If you want to read an excellent article, Edmunds did a great review, and not b/c of the Viper and ZO6, but b/c it was pretty much the 1st "car" review where it was about the cars themselves. Read Car and Driver and others and they'll say "oh this car is just fabulous, what a machine, but it gets last place b/c there's no cup holder or enough trunk space, even though it outperformed everyone" LOL.
Comparison Test: 2008 Dodge Viper SRT-10 Coupe vs. 2007 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
 
Puleeeeze....the motor is bullet proof and obviously you have never driven one, the whole point of the motor was to not only have the HP but massive torque at any rpm and gear. The motor is highly unstressed and can makes gobs of power n/a or forced induction. Viper is a turd, hah, is that your P-car in the pic? How about you meet me at Sebring, VIR, or Road Atlanta and see how a turd run's. You must have been watching Barney on tv when the snakes were dominating races.

Ok this is a pet peeve of mine, the Viper is one of the best handling cars around everyone seems to have this misconception their only good in a straight line, Vipers have been banned from some leagues b/c of "other" manufacturers complaining they couldn't keep up, and in some other sanctions kept handicapping the Viper only to still have it dominate, untill they handicapped so much it couldn't. Like Blk45 said, it's a pure drivers car, basically last of its breed, ABS wasn't even offered untill 01'.

How about the awesome Paul Mumford, who took his nearly stock ACR Viper with a few tweeks, and took on factory backed teams from BMW to Porsche etc, and b!tch slapped them on the track. Here's all these professional racers and full race teams, and they lost to a privateer.

ZO6 is borring in comparison, excellent car no doubt, mother and her boyfriend have an 08'. I'd still take our 01' Viper over it any day. It's not raw, its not connected, its missing "character", of which the Viper has loads of. The new ZR1, they can supercharge it all they want, sure it's gonna be fast as hell, but to pay that much for the Vette, no thanks, I'll mod a ZO6 instead. And has anybody on here actually driven a s/c'd car on the track? Can you say heat soak, give it a couple laps and even with an intercooler they'll have to pull off the track. SRT team has already said they'll have an n/a package available bumping the power up to around 700 n/a, of which parts will be able to be bought through any dealer.

Edmunds pretty much summed it up:
The Z06 is stonk fast but, to most, it looks like any other Vette. And, to be completely honest, when driven back to back against a new Viper, it feels utterly emasculated.

I was waiting for this one and you delivered like a champ!!!

:iagree::iagree::whs::whs:
 
I like both the 08 Viper and the 08 Z06. Having one of each is ok with me. I think they're both going to look fine in my garage.

Gary, you cannot beat having the best of both worlds!!! It would be interesting to see you personal thoughts of your current Viper versus your Corvettes.
 
Didn't mean to cause such a "stir" here fellas!!

I agree that both cars are geared towards a different drivers... I also agree that both would have a spot in my garage if my account allowed so:D
 
If you want a good read Paul Mumford  1971 , R.I.P. PM. Excellent driver who preferred the Snake to any other vehicle and proved what the car is capable of. I mean destroying factory backed teams and their drivers, lol. Taking his "street" class car on street tires and going against race cars with slicks and still beating them.
 
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