Underrated/Overlooked: Meguiar’s Hybrid Paint Coating

On another forum I got confused about the product being discussed. The Paint Coating product and the Pro Hybrid Ceramic sealant. I actually forgot which was which. They have a multitude of products out there now, all rated very well. My guess is that just having Ceramic on a package or bottle sell better, as the millions of other products now. Maybe it's just getting lost in a sea of other products?
 
SteveRedGTI said:
On another forum I got confused about the product being discussed. The Paint Coating product and the Pro Hybrid Ceramic sealant. I actually forgot which was which. They have a multitude of products out there now, all rated very well. My guess is that just having Ceramic on a package or bottle sell better, as the millions of other products now. Maybe it's just getting lost in a sea of other products?
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The discussion here is about the Hybrid Paint Coating. There is no "Ceramic" in the name but rather categorized, according to Meguiars, as "Hybrid Polysiloxane". In fact they say there is no ceramic in the formula. Watch this video HERE for an in depth explanation on what it is. The definition of "ceramic" in a detailing product is a very loose term and can be defined and interpreted many different ways by many different brands based on the chemistry.

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I agree with you though that perhaps the word "Ceramic" is a buzzword in the detailing world that captures the attention of most people given its reputation for water beading and longevity behavior.

For me, i don't care about buzzwords. I learned my lesson after falling for the graphene trap (*cough*303*cough*). All I care about is performance.
 
Yeah I understand what the product is. But I do think it got lost in a sea of Ceramic products. I've seen multiple videos on it, as well as the other sealant product. Both appear to be very good performers. Hate to see a great product dumped, hopefully not.
 
evo77 said:
The discussion here is about the Hybrid Paint Coating. There is no "Ceramic" in the name but rather categorized, according to Meguiars, as "Hybrid Polysiloxane". In fact they say there is no ceramic in the formula. Watch this video HERE for an in depth explanation on what it is. The definition of "ceramic" in a detailing product is a very loose term and can be defined and interpreted many different ways by many different brands based on the chemistry.

81r-CKZDCsL._AC_SY355_.jpg


I agree with you though that perhaps the word "Ceramic" is a buzzword in the detailing world that captures the attention of most people given its reputation for water beading and longevity behavior.

For me, i don't care about buzzwords. I learned my lesson after falling for the graphene trap (*cough*303*cough*). All I care about is performance.
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Bosko said:
I have said it before, I fell for the TW "Graphene" series.....extremely disappointed
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The Adam’s Graphene spray coating is an awesome product if looked at right. It isn’t going to compete with coating lites but will perform as well or better than any other “spray coating” out there.

Pretty sure the graphene’s got nothing to do with it but a great product none the less.


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I'm at a little bit over 6 weeks with this product and so far so good.

I see very little, if any, change. Still just as slick and hydrophobic.

I WILL say that it doesn't have nearly the self cleaning abilities as a ceramic. Better than a wax or traditional sealant though.
 
jth877 said:
I'm at a little bit over 6 weeks with this product and so far so good.

I see very little, if any, change. Still just as slick and hydrophobic.

I WILL say that it doesn't have nearly the self cleaning abilities as a ceramic. Better than a wax or traditional sealant though.
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What kind of conditions has it been put through?
 
jth877 said:
I'm at a little bit over 6 weeks with this product and so far so good.

I see very little, if any, change. Still just as slick and hydrophobic.

I WILL say that it doesn't have nearly the self cleaning abilities as a ceramic. Better than a wax or traditional sealant though.
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I personally noticed the exact opposite. The self cleaning effect seemed to be better than ceramic for me. Water shedding seemed to be top notch from what I’ve seen.
 
EddieVDetailing said:
I personally noticed the exact opposite. The self cleaning effect seemed to be better than ceramic for me. Water shedding seemed to be top notch from what I’ve seen.
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Any issues with water spotting, Eddie?
 
I think any product today is good, but being a Megs guy at heart, I really really wanted to try this on the daily driver. But... Meguiar's US and Canada aren't the same company, there are quite a few Megs products we are still waiting for..... this is one of them. I did get my mitts on M27 and really like it. I imagine the coating would be better.
 
PaulMys said:
Any issues with water spotting, Eddie?
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I haven’t seen much of any water spotting yet. From what I’ve read, ceramic coatings are prone to water spots before they are fully cured. I’ve seen some nasty water spotting with ceramic coatings, with this one, I haven’t really seen it yet.
 
Bosko said:
What kind of conditions has it been put through?
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Good question.

A few salt/brine/slush storms. 3 touchless washes. One contact wash with me freezing my butt off. The vehicle stays outside so lots of ice.

Upstate NY.
 
Weird, I've seen a lot of water spotting on vertical surfaces. More than the only ceramic spray I've ever tried. I also have a black truck so it shows really easy along with road film.

I'm not saying it sucks. I'd rather still use it than the wolfgang 6 month spray ceramic.
 
jth877 said:
Weird, I've seen a lot of water spotting on vertical surfaces. More than the only ceramic spray I've ever tried. I also have a black truck so it shows really easy along with road film.

I'm not saying it sucks. I'd rather still use it than the wolfgang 6 month spray ceramic.
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when people say water spots, we are talking about spots that are not removeable. Almost permanent spots that embed themselves in ceramic coatings. The water spotting you are seeing is probably normal. True ceramic coating water spots are gnarly and almost permanent without polishing or harsh chemicals.

In general: less water beading = less water spots but much worse road film and faster degradation.
 
EddieVDetailing said:
when people say water spots, we are talking about spots that are not removeable. Almost permanent spots that embed themselves in ceramic coatings. The water spotting you are seeing is probably normal. True ceramic coating water spots are gnarly and almost permanent without polishing or harsh chemicals.

In general: less water beading = less water spots but much worse road film and faster degradation.
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Ah, ok. No water spots.
 
Ahem....18 month thread Brump.
I just grabbed this to use on my full wrap PPF . IMO, nothing really last long on PPF so I don't spend top dollar on LSP on PPF.
We'll see how this one lasts
 
HPC performed solidly for 4 straight months (up until it became too cold to hand wash) with NO TOPPERS. Meaning the crazy beading was still there. I made it a point to just simply hand wash with Megs Hyperwash and blow dry/towel dry. This way I could verify its stand alone performance in my environment.

Through the winter my truck saw automatic touchless washes twice a month. I could see that water behavior, coming into spring, was really falling off on the horizontal surfaces but this was likely due to clogging of the coating. My truck is parked in the driveway and is exposed to all elements 24-7.

I've yet to hand wash with a hose this season. Just have done a couple rinseless washes. When I have a chance to do a full decon wash to see if HPC is still hiding underneath I'll report back.

I still think that HPC is a hidden gem that way too many people sleep on for other shiny, new products that hit the market.
 
This is probably not a good -base- to test (PPF). HPC was cheap enough at the purchase price to use above Griots 3-1. Just because per my last post, IME, nothing really last as long on PPF.
But I'm detailing bored so just another product to add to the shelf I suppose.
 
Boxes arrived today. Can's are tiny.....and I'm generally not the hugest fan of aerosol's in general.
How many coats/cars have you eeked out of 1 can. Maybe 1 1/2 cars ?

I've been using Sonax BSD on my hood recently in lieu=of 3in1
Let's see how long or *not* MHPC will last on PPF.
Like I said in my OP, nothing seems to adhere/last on PPF so ROI is relative to cost of product to some degree..
 
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