Up Close & Personal: Optimum No Rinse Wash & Wax

Great info here as I'm a huge believer in the almost miracle-ness of good Waterless Wash/Wax combo's.

I've been using SmartWax One, since it was the first of this that I was introduced to, and must say that I'm very happy with it, HOWEVER, on my New black car I noticed that buffing it out was extremely difficult compared to my previous white car (obviously because it shows more). And in the sun I noticed it still left smears.

I think it's due to the clay in the product, which hardens up fast, and trying to buff it out freaked me out that I was swirling up my car (had to apply pressure and really rub at it as that was the only way to buff it, and I still didn't do a perfect job). Fortunately I have a really plush MF.

My question is, has anyone used SmartWax One? And can anyone compare it to the ONRWW? Especially as far as ease of removal? I notice Smart One has the clay which may be what differentiates it most. Wondering if the clay is a benefit or detractor from it (considering how it can be more difficult to buff).

Thanks.
 
There is no "ease of removal" issues for products like ONRWW or DG, they act like any rinseless wash. ONRWW behaves just like ONR, the DG (with Aquawax) dries a bit easier than the ONR products, IMO. I mean, first of all, you're comparing a waterless wash to the rinseless washes being discussed in this thread.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
There is no "ease of removal" issues for products like ONRWW or DG, they act like any rinseless wash. ONRWW behaves just like ONR, the DG (with Aquawax) dries a bit easier than the ONR products, IMO. I mean, first of all, you're comparing a waterless wash to the rinseless washes being discussed in this thread.
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Interesting. Would you say a Waterless Wash is known to be "easier" to use than a Rinseless Wash (or vice versa)?

I'm looking for at least a rinseless way to keep my car clean, but find that using the W/W product I have now is too intensive (buffing it out takes time), especially since I'd love a product that's quick and safe to just get the dust and stuff that builds up on my car after literally hours of doing the whole W/W.

Would you guys say that even with having to be buffed out, the ONR W/W is not more "time-consuming" or difficult to remove at all from the ONR W/R?
 
KevA said:
... to just get the dust and stuff that builds up on my car after literally hours of doing the whole W/W.
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Are you saying it takes you hours to do a waterless wash, or do you mean dust accumulates on your car within hours of doing a WW?
 
KevA said:
Interesting. Would you say a Waterless Wash is known to be "easier" to use than a Rinseless Wash (or vice versa)?

I'm looking for at least a rinseless way to keep my car clean, but find that using the W/W product I have now is too intensive (buffing it out takes time), especially since I'd love a product that's quick and safe to just get the dust and stuff that builds up on my car after literally hours of doing the whole W/W.

Would you guys say that even with having to be buffed out, the ONR W/W is not more "time-consuming" or difficult to remove at all from the ONR W/R?
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I'm not sure what products you are using if it takes you that long. A waterless wash or rinseless wash over the entire car never takes me more than 30 - 35 minutes.

Here's a waterless wash review I did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL1GvN_fwME

Rinseless wash:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr7JoC8ANog
 
golliger said:
Are you saying it takes you hours to do a waterless wash, or do you mean dust accumulates on your car within hours of doing a WW?
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Kinda both, lol.

Dust accumulates on my car within hours, and I used to use a CA Car Duster on my white car but have been advised not to do so on my black car.

It took me hours to apply my "Smartwax One" because the buffing was just so time consuming for some reason (never had that problem with the product before).

I'm wondering if anyone's compared it to ONR W/W in terms of ease of getting wax residue off, etc. (the only slight complaint I have towards "One").

I'm thinking of ordering the ONR W/W as I was originally gonna get the W/R, but from what everybody says here, the W/W is just as easy to apply and wipe off, and works just as "quickly", yet gives you the simple added benefit of Wax (can't have to much of that I guess?).
 
KevA said:
It took me hours to apply my "Smartwax One" because the buffing was just so time consuming for some reason (never had that problem with the product before).

I'm wondering if anyone's compared it to ONR W/W in terms of ease of getting wax residue off, etc. (the only slight complaint I have towards "One").
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There is no buffing with any rinseless wash, whether it be QEW, ONR, ONRWW, DG, etc. There is no buffing with any of the waterless washes I use (UWW+, Opti-Clean, Spray n' Wipe), although Opti-Clean is a little harder to not get streaks with.

The WW you use and ones like it (with kaolin clay) is not the typical product used by the members of this forum, although some swear by it.

With a rinseless wash there is no buffing, there is "drying", regardless of the "wax" content. With a waterless wash, it's more like applying a QD, so it's not so much "drying" as it is...I dunno, wiping, working it in/off.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
There is no buffing with any rinseless wash, whether it be QEW, ONR, ONRWW, DG, etc. There is no buffing with any of the waterless washes I use (UWW+, Opti-Clean, Spray n' Wipe), although Opti-Clean is a little harder to not get streaks with.

The WW you use and ones like it (with kaolin clay) is not the typical product used by the members of this forum, although some swear by it.

With a rinseless wash there is no buffing, there is "drying", regardless of the "wax" content. With a waterless wash, it's more like applying a QD, so it's not so much "drying" as it is...I dunno, wiping, working it in/off.
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Thanks. Can you by chance elaborate on the pro's/con's of the clay that's in the Waterless Wash I used?

I heard somewhere that it's good for hiding swirls?

My problem with it is that it was such a pain for me to buff out (the Clay part I'm assuming as buffing Carnuba has never been an issue for me), that I think I definitely did some micro-swirling due to having to literally get rigorous to get that stuff off.
 
KevA said:
Thanks. Can you by chance elaborate on the pro's/con's of the clay that's in the Waterless Wash I used? I heard somewhere that it's good for hiding swirls?
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Um...no. This is a matter of contentious debate and I don't feel like wading into it. If you've got a black vehicle you have to be extra-careful, down to the towels you use, because you will see every flaw. There are hundreds if not thousands of users here that successfully and easily use waterless and rinseless washes without clay additives; I think it's worth it for you to try one of them.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Um...no. This is a matter of contentious debate and I don't feel like wading into it. If you've got a black vehicle you have to be extra-careful, down to the towels you use, because you will see every flaw. There are hundreds if not thousands of users here that successfully and easily use waterless and rinseless washes without clay additives; I think it's worth it for you to try one of them.
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Will do, will be ordering some ONR W/W for my next wash!

Is there a link to somewhere where I can find one of these "debates"? I'm just wondering what the "pro side" argues that the clay in Waterless Washes is good for, and the con side as well (which I assume might have to do with being too "sticky" to where an inexperienced hand might find it causing more harm (swirling) than good).
 
So I ordered, and washed with this twice already. Using a Chenille MF Mitt, plush MF towels to dry/buff (buffing is VERY minimal, seems like it dries like water more-so than leaving thick wax residue, is this normal?), two bucket method (one of them with a grit-guard).

Absolutely LOVE IT! Everything I asked for.

My ONLY question is: How much does this actually "wax"? I ask because it leaves more of a "just soaped" feel on the paint (not as soft as wax) rather than a super soft "just waxed" feel. I was using a Waterless Wash before, which I found too intensive for simple washes (and it had Kaolin Clay which is difficult to buff and worried me that it would strip my coat of Sealant on the car), however it always made the car feel very soft and "waxed".

I saw the owner of this great ONR product stated that if you use if for every wash, it would be sufficient protection for you to never have to wax the car separately. I like that concept because I was used to it by the W/W and want to continue it. I'm just a curious as to how much that holds with the ONR Wash/Wax since I just don't "feel" the wax after I apply it, on the paint.

For my 5 gallon bucket, I use 2.5 ounces of product (what is recommended with maybe a touch extra).

Also, can somebody confirm that the bottle cap is one full ounce? I use that as my measurement.
 
I'm not sure what you were expecting, but no wash n' wax product is going to leave a "thick wax residue" like if you applied a paste or liquid wax.

Regular ONR is going to leave a slick, glossy, finish. ONRWW is ONR meets OCW, which I interpret mostly to mean it has OCW's patented UV absorbtion package. I doubt it is going to leave as much protection as OCW (and I think Chris@Optimum says as much if you scroll back in the thread).

As far as the cap, what size do you have? I don't think the bottle cap is really intended as a precision measuring device. Don't you have one of those little cough medicine cups? If not you can get measuring cups at any pharmacy store (CVS, Walgreens, etc.) or probably in the supermarket. Or a measuring spoon, a tablespoon is half an ounce.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I'm not sure what you were expecting, but no wash n' wax product is going to leave a "thick wax residue" like if you applied a paste or liquid wax.

Regular ONR is going to leave a slick, glossy, finish. ONRWW is ONR meets OCW, which I interpret mostly to mean it has OCW's patented UV absorbtion package. I doubt it is going to leave as much protection as OCW (and I think Chris@Optimum says as much if you scroll back in the thread).

As far as the cap, what size do you have? I don't think the bottle cap is really intended as a precision measuring device. Don't you have one of those little cough medicine cups? If not you can get measuring cups at any pharmacy store (CVS, Walgreens, etc.) or probably in the supermarket. Or a measuring spoon, a tablespoon is half an ounce.
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Interesting, thanks. I do remember him saying that it should be sufficient if used EVERY time (adding up wax I guess), but I'll go back and check. The Waterless Wash I used before did indeed leave a very "slippery" surface, though that product was too intense/difficult for every wash's use.

I have the 32oz bottle. I wonder if my measurements are all off since the cap isn't what I thought it was (1 oz?). I did it like that because I looked up some videos and they said or used it like that as well, i.e 1 cap for every ounce.

I wonder if anyone has a definite on that?
 
KevA said:
Interesting, thanks. I do remember him saying that it should be sufficient if used EVERY time (adding up wax I guess), but I'll go back and check. The Waterless Wash I used before did indeed leave a very "slippery" surface, though that product was too intense/difficult for every wash's use.

I have the 32oz bottle. I wonder if my measurements are all off since the cap isn't what I thought it was (1 oz?). I did it like that because I looked up some videos and they said or used it like that as well, i.e 1 cap for every ounce.

EDIT: From what I measure, the cap from the 32oz bottle holds 1/2 oz.

I wonder if anyone has a definite on that?
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I'll measure the cap, stand by. As far as "building up" I think it's more like if you use it every wash, you are replenishing the protection at each wash. I think you worry too much. If you live somewhere where you can wash 9 mos. out of the year, and can use some real OCW before winter, I think you could do a lot worse than that regimen.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
I'll measure the cap, stand by. As far as "building up" I think it's more like if you use it every wash, you are replenishing the protection at each wash. I think you worry too much. If you live somewhere where you can wash 9 mos. out of the year, and can use some real OCW before winter, I think you could do a lot worse than that regimen.
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I'd appreciate if you could. Now wondering if my measurements have been off due to using the "bottle cap method".

I definitely do worry to much with this car, lol. My first Jet Black car, driving me nuts, but getting the hang of it.

Really love this stuff though, even taking into consideration my curiosity as to why it doesn't feel as "slick" as a true Wax or WW did. Only thing I like from the Waterless Wash better, naturally was the lack of water spots drying up. Not happy to see them back. Other than that, I find this Rinseless method easier and safer. I just hope my Menzerna Polymer Sealant wasn't stripped off at all by the Kaolin Clay Waterless Wash I used before.
 
Oops, I thought I edited my post. I measured the cap of the 32 oz ONRWW bottle at 1/2 oz.

You shouldn't be getting water spots if you're doing an ONR correctly. You should be drying each panel after you wash it, unless you're in direct sun on a hot day, you should be able to towel it before anything dries.
 
Setec Astronomy said:
Oops, I thought I edited my post. I measured the cap of the 32 oz ONRWW bottle at 1/2 oz.

You shouldn't be getting water spots if you're doing an ONR correctly. You should be drying each panel after you wash it, unless you're in direct sun on a hot day, you should be able to towel it before anything dries.
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Ahh, damn so I'm using too little product.

So it's half an ounce huh. I guess that makes it easy, just have to double my amount used.
 
Food said:
Would the wax in this ONRWW be as effective, strong and last as long as the dedicated spray OCW (ie: using regular ONRWS + OCW)?

Maybe possible...as the spray OCW is only used very sparingly in mists
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