Using waterless wash products
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Luke,
I've done a few now and here is my process... I can not answer how exactly the polymers do the trick but they do. I use DP 4-in-1 and love it.
* Use 2 buckets - one with the solution, the other clean water as a rinse bucket.
* Fold a MF in quarters or eighths, depending on how large the MF is
* Soak the MF in the solution, wring out ~1/2 of the solution.
* Drip or sling some on the surface (some people use sprayers) to get as much of the surface wet
* Gently wipe the MF on the surface, turning the MF to the other (cleaner) side about 1/2 through the panel. I generally only need to make 1 pass on the panel and all the dirt gets removed. Also, I wipe in only 1 direction.
* Drop the MF in the rinse bucket
* Dry the panel with a good drying MF, like a WW.
* Wring out the MF in the rinse bucket, then repeat above steps on another panel with a clean section of the MF.
I generally use 3 MFs for my daily driver which is a 06 Civic. So far I'm pretty sure this process has not introduced any marring.
JeffW
I've done a few now and here is my process... I can not answer how exactly the polymers do the trick but they do. I use DP 4-in-1 and love it.
* Use 2 buckets - one with the solution, the other clean water as a rinse bucket.
* Fold a MF in quarters or eighths, depending on how large the MF is
* Soak the MF in the solution, wring out ~1/2 of the solution.
* Drip or sling some on the surface (some people use sprayers) to get as much of the surface wet
* Gently wipe the MF on the surface, turning the MF to the other (cleaner) side about 1/2 through the panel. I generally only need to make 1 pass on the panel and all the dirt gets removed. Also, I wipe in only 1 direction.
* Drop the MF in the rinse bucket
* Dry the panel with a good drying MF, like a WW.
* Wring out the MF in the rinse bucket, then repeat above steps on another panel with a clean section of the MF.
I generally use 3 MFs for my daily driver which is a 06 Civic. So far I'm pretty sure this process has not introduced any marring.
JeffW
jsfofec
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I've been using ONR...at first I was using about 4 MFs, then I switched to a sheepskin wash mitt. I use the 2 bucket method, with grit guards. I also started using warm water. If the car is dirty, I'll first spray ONR at the QD dilution, then soke the wash mitt in the ONR solution bucket, wring out very lightly to get the extra water out, so that it doesn't drip all over the floor, then wipe one stroke across the panel with the wash mit, then turn it over and do the next stroke. Then rinse the mitt in the rinse bucket, wring it out, then soak it again in the ONR solution bucket. Then do the process again. After each panel, I dry with a WW, then go over the panel again with a plush MF to get any remaining water.
The last step will be the wheels, tires and wheel wells. I'll use old MFs for these.
The last step will be the wheels, tires and wheel wells. I'll use old MFs for these.
Luke said:
The stuff that is sprayed on is either some of the same solution that you are 'washing' the car with, or is the QD dillution of the product. For example, with the DP 4-in-1 the dillution for the rinseless wash is 1oz per gallon of water, and the dillution for the QD is ~2oz per 1/2 gallon of water. You could use another QD for the spary part if you wanted, I guess.
Hope that helps.
I was very confused and unsure about how a rinseless wash would work - just didn't seem logical after so long using foam and suds. But I am amazed at the ease of the rinseless wash and how thorough it really is, not to mention gentle on the paint if you take care not to 'scrub' and keep changing out MFs, etc...
Revearl
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I use pretty much the same process Jeff does, though I go thru a lot more mf's. That's because when I rinse them in clean water, there's still plenty of dirt on them and I don't want to use them for more wiping. I probably use more MF's than necessary but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
I think spraying would be an excellent idea - it would relieve my concern about wiping dirt into the finish.
I've been very impressed.
I think spraying would be an excellent idea - it would relieve my concern about wiping dirt into the finish.
I've been very impressed.
Revearl said:
Yep, as soon as I run out of clean sections of the MF I switch to a fresh one. For the size of my car I find 3 seems to be good, however, since I got a shi* load of MFs I probably out to consider using more to be on the safe side.
Question - what rinseless wash product do you use?
Revearl
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I've used OPT twice and been very happy with it.
I use a lot of MF's because my car gets really dirty - I mean mud caked on the sides - so when I rinse the MF not all the dirt comes out. Maybe I'm overdoing, but if I'm gonna wash 4 MF's I may as well wash 12.
Earl
I use a lot of MF's because my car gets really dirty - I mean mud caked on the sides - so when I rinse the MF not all the dirt comes out. Maybe I'm overdoing, but if I'm gonna wash 4 MF's I may as well wash 12.
Earl
Mike T
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When I wash with a "waterless wash" like PoorBoy's S&W, I make sure I have plenty of MF's with me. I spray each panel making sure the entire panel or section is saturated and then proceed to gently glide the MF over the surface. I don't apply any pressure and make sure you keep rotating the MF. If the panel is really dirty then I will go over the panel with multiple applications. You'll get your own technique down, just make sure you are gentle.
I've used S&W and just used a folded towel. I folded it to a clean section after a small section (depending on the dirt) and grabbed a new towel when needed. I've used rinseless washer (DP4n1, ONR, QEW) in a spray bottle or tank sprayer. The tank sprayer worked well. I like the spray bottle for light dirt on SUV roofs. In my mobile business though I currently am using ONR in a bucket. I feel more comfortable cleaning a whole car using a bucket and find it to be faster.
TOGWT
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There are two differing products being discussed here - Waterless wash and Rinse-less Wash (ONR).
I have no experience of the waterless wash, but have used a rinse-less wash (ONR) extensively
This is the methodology I use-
Optimum No Rinse (ONR):
Is an almost waterless wash (i.e. its rinse less); formulated with surfactants to keep dirt in suspension, avoiding surface contact, it also provides surface lubrication, thereby avoiding surface marring.
Use a Monster Fluffy micro fibre towel for washing. Take one towel and wet it with ONR mixed as per directions. Wring it out and make a single pass per clean side of the towel. You can get 4-8 passes, with the towel folded in quarters. Each pass is then done with a perfectly clean towel surface and you're never rinsing any dirt out and releasing it in to your wash or rinse water. You can do the whole car with 2-4 towels. Apply no pressure to the towel. I just glide it over the surface and only make one pass in one direction with a clean surface.
If you use the two bucket method (one fitted with a grit guard) which highly recommended with this type of product, the wash solution will stay clean enough to be reusable as a pre-soak solution or for cleaning wheel surfaces. ONR is formulated to ensure that dirt particles won’t mix with the solution but fall to the bottom of the bucket. You should dry the vehicle as you proceed, wash a section, dry it and move on
There in no need to rinse afterwards with ONR, but if you feel you must, please ensure that the water goes to a sewer and not a storm drain; either way the lubricating polymers in the No Rinse do a better job of protecting the finish than conventional car soap. Use in tandem with Optimum Spray Wax for a ‘just waxed’ look
If you use the two bucket method (one fitted with a grit guard) the wash solution will stay clean enough to be reusable. ONR is formulated to ensure that dirt particles won’t mix with the solution but fall to the bottom of the bucket.
Products- Monster Fluffy towel - http://www.detailersparadise.com/_system/_advancedstore/qryDefault.asp
Optimum No Rinse (ONR) – http//:www.[B]optimum[/B]carcare.com
I have no experience of the waterless wash, but have used a rinse-less wash (ONR) extensively
This is the methodology I use-
Optimum No Rinse (ONR):
Is an almost waterless wash (i.e. its rinse less); formulated with surfactants to keep dirt in suspension, avoiding surface contact, it also provides surface lubrication, thereby avoiding surface marring.
Use a Monster Fluffy micro fibre towel for washing. Take one towel and wet it with ONR mixed as per directions. Wring it out and make a single pass per clean side of the towel. You can get 4-8 passes, with the towel folded in quarters. Each pass is then done with a perfectly clean towel surface and you're never rinsing any dirt out and releasing it in to your wash or rinse water. You can do the whole car with 2-4 towels. Apply no pressure to the towel. I just glide it over the surface and only make one pass in one direction with a clean surface.
If you use the two bucket method (one fitted with a grit guard) which highly recommended with this type of product, the wash solution will stay clean enough to be reusable as a pre-soak solution or for cleaning wheel surfaces. ONR is formulated to ensure that dirt particles won’t mix with the solution but fall to the bottom of the bucket. You should dry the vehicle as you proceed, wash a section, dry it and move on
There in no need to rinse afterwards with ONR, but if you feel you must, please ensure that the water goes to a sewer and not a storm drain; either way the lubricating polymers in the No Rinse do a better job of protecting the finish than conventional car soap. Use in tandem with Optimum Spray Wax for a ‘just waxed’ look
If you use the two bucket method (one fitted with a grit guard) the wash solution will stay clean enough to be reusable. ONR is formulated to ensure that dirt particles won’t mix with the solution but fall to the bottom of the bucket.
Products- Monster Fluffy towel - http://www.detailersparadise.com/_system/_advancedstore/qryDefault.asp
Optimum No Rinse (ONR) – http//:www.[B]optimum[/B]carcare.com
budman3
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Guys .... he's talking about waterless washing products ... not rinseless washing...
They are 2 very different processes...
I think this is the answer that Luke is looking for. I fold my towels in 1/4's so front and back I can do 8 panels... normally. You need to treat every vehicle differenty because if a build up of dirt gets on the MF thats where the scratching comes into play. Poorboy's Spray and Wipe is my favorite waterless wash. It contains plenty of lubricants (a lot more than a traditional QD) to clean a vehicle. Use it on a freshly waxed vehicle and it's even better.
Light pressure + clean MF + great product (S&W) = Quick, swirlfree, clean vehicle
They are 2 very different processes...
Mike T said:
I think this is the answer that Luke is looking for. I fold my towels in 1/4's so front and back I can do 8 panels... normally. You need to treat every vehicle differenty because if a build up of dirt gets on the MF thats where the scratching comes into play. Poorboy's Spray and Wipe is my favorite waterless wash. It contains plenty of lubricants (a lot more than a traditional QD) to clean a vehicle. Use it on a freshly waxed vehicle and it's even better.
Light pressure + clean MF + great product (S&W) = Quick, swirlfree, clean vehicle