I would say that probably 90% of the cars that I put coatings on do not get any toppers by the owners. Most people are not 'Geeks' like mentioned. They have the coating applied and they will wash it. That's it. So understanding the durability of the coating all by itself is very useful information to many people.
Video: 10-month ceramic coating update! + Chemical torture test!
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Hhahaahh. Yup. Some haters just never stop. I'm actually entertained by this.
I don't know if hater is fair. Ceramics are not a slam dunk, and there is plenty of room for debate when considering cost and ease of application relative to results when compared to traditional sealants and waxes.
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I actually don't top my coating. The reason for that is I don't think any topper is as good as Syncro by itself. I don't want to cover that awesome water behavior with an inferior product in order to make the coating last longer. What good is it if it lasts longer but I don't get its true benefits? I'd rather have to re-do the coating say around 18 months but having actually enjoyed it than say it lasts 2 or 3 years but then I had results that weren't as good.
I tried Bead Maker on my wife's car which has a coating approaching its end and that was never as good as Syncro. Bead Maker disappointed me. It sure makes the paint glossy and slick but beading is not what it does best. And it doesn't last more than a week or two. I will re-do her car soon with UK 3.0 + Gliss v2 and then use the good old Ech2o + Reload mix as drying aid.
I tried Bead Maker on my wife's car which has a coating approaching its end and that was never as good as Syncro. Bead Maker disappointed me. It sure makes the paint glossy and slick but beading is not what it does best. And it doesn't last more than a week or two. I will re-do her car soon with UK 3.0 + Gliss v2 and then use the good old Ech2o + Reload mix as drying aid.
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We can agree to disagree. All the cars I coat are from passionate owners (let's face it, getting a coating job isn't the cheapest service, so you have to like your car) and I personnaly instruct the owners on how to take care of their own rides, which includes applying a topper every 2-3 months and how to do a proper maintenance wash to keep optimal performance. So from my point of view, it's actually very very important to show real world conditions which can include a topper.
But all this fuss around the video, when you think about it, with the two Power Clean steps and the fact I didn't apply a topper for 2 months prior, there was probably no topper on the car left anyways... So the discussion is going sideways for absolutely no reason.
Some are interested of seeing the pure coating performance. I get that. But some are also interested of seeing how a coating performs in the real world, with maybe a topper on top too. I also get that. I respect both camps. There isn't a right or wrong here.
I don't understand the obsession of trying to prove someone wrong in this forum...
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I would also like to add that these discussions are taking place on a known quality ceramic coating like CarPro CQuartz UK 3.0. Even the previous version, CQUK Edition, lasted 2 years with no issues. And with nearly 240,000 subscribers on my channel, and many more watching, we have very big sampling of people being able to report on durability, chemical resistance, ease of application, gloss, water spotting issues, etc. So wether the coating is bare or topped with a silica spray sealant or anything else, the bottom line is still the same. Durability is there.
If I had done a video where it was just the coating that had never been topped, then I would have had other people criticizing that "Oh well that doesn't represent real world conditions! People use toppers as directed!" Do you see where this never ends? At one point, you have to take videos and threads for what they are at face value. If it doesn't apply to you or to your tastes or preferences, then you just move on, or create your own videos and threads to showcase what ever you think is important. I am here to share my thoughts and experiences on topics. Everyone is free to start their own threads and/or channels and talk about what really matters to them.
If I had done a video where it was just the coating that had never been topped, then I would have had other people criticizing that "Oh well that doesn't represent real world conditions! People use toppers as directed!" Do you see where this never ends? At one point, you have to take videos and threads for what they are at face value. If it doesn't apply to you or to your tastes or preferences, then you just move on, or create your own videos and threads to showcase what ever you think is important. I am here to share my thoughts and experiences on topics. Everyone is free to start their own threads and/or channels and talk about what really matters to them.
I don't think we are in as much disagreement as you think.
I also instruct my customers on how to maintain the coating and provide with Echo detailing spray. I would love to think that they carry out my instructions correctly, but I know that's not happening.
If people were so into their cars like you say then they would be doing their own detailing like the members of this forum.
I agree that the OPC surely removed whatever toppings were on the Cquartz too.
However you are presenting a coating that has had several LSP's sitting on top being the interface with the environment. So it's not quite the same as a bare coating. You have to agree with that.
You're right about probably being criticized if you did bare coating tests too. I don't think the test is the issue. Just asking for full disclosure on such things so that one can take the information you kindly provide into consideration. Not because you have sinister motives or anything like that.
I also instruct my customers on how to maintain the coating and provide with Echo detailing spray. I would love to think that they carry out my instructions correctly, but I know that's not happening.
If people were so into their cars like you say then they would be doing their own detailing like the members of this forum.
I agree that the OPC surely removed whatever toppings were on the Cquartz too.
However you are presenting a coating that has had several LSP's sitting on top being the interface with the environment. So it's not quite the same as a bare coating. You have to agree with that.
You're right about probably being criticized if you did bare coating tests too. I don't think the test is the issue. Just asking for full disclosure on such things so that one can take the information you kindly provide into consideration. Not because you have sinister motives or anything like that.
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No I get it. The layman gets a detail washes every so often and comes back for more. Most pro coasters:detailers will however recommend a topper. The 30 yr (exaggeration) ones will require a maintenance which I bet includes a topper. You want to know what the best coating is for the person who doesn’t care and can get 2yrs with out touching. I don’t think theirs a coating out their that will make it a year with out maintenance. I don’t know for sure. What I’m saying is that is not this video. It’s like watching “chopped” and being mad theirs no recipes. Watching baseball and being mad theirs no Td’s. This doesn’t show what you want to know about coatings just “change the channel”
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Do you use Ech20 and reload as a drying aid on your car? Cuz if so that would be “topping”
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@DBAILEY: You brought good points and have done so in a respectful manner, so thanks for that.
In retrospect, at the beginning of this post, I maybe should have given a bit more background as to what people were going to see in the video. Because on my channel, my viewers obviously know my car and know what has been done to it over the past year, as they follow my videos, so I assume they know. I wouldn't change a thing in my video, obviously as I shot it specifically for that purpose, but on AG posts, as many don't necessarily know about my channel, a bit more info could be valuable.
But again, let's keep having fun detailing our cars!
In retrospect, at the beginning of this post, I maybe should have given a bit more background as to what people were going to see in the video. Because on my channel, my viewers obviously know my car and know what has been done to it over the past year, as they follow my videos, so I assume they know. I wouldn't change a thing in my video, obviously as I shot it specifically for that purpose, but on AG posts, as many don't necessarily know about my channel, a bit more info could be valuable.
But again, let's keep having fun detailing our cars!
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No. Only on hers. My car gets just ech2o as to not interfere with the coating underneath. I think I use that diluted 1 part Ech2o 25 parts water.
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Dunno if it's actually true, but I've found some coatings do better with no maintenance than others. Take for example the following fleet vehicle:
Van 11: XXX + XXX applied March 2017; refresh 01/2017 decon wash, w/ XXX clay, XXX & XXX
Since 01/2017, about 45k miles ago this vehicle has received no bucket washes and has *maybe* run thru a touchless soap/rinse tunnel wash once or twice. Pulled the vehicle outta hibernation last week after sitting outside idle since 11/2018 and it's still looking very, very good as far as gloss and cleanliness go. This coating has exceptional self-cleaning abilities and, to throw another apparently contentious point into the mix, is and never has been a great 'bead-er' but more of a 'sheeter', hence my preference for sheeting as opposed to fantastically formed beads.
Now as to the specific coating that's the topic of the thread, if ya wanna know how CQ UK 3 + Gliss V2 does with absolutely no maintenance, check back in a year cuz the vehicle I just used it on will likely see a touchless tunnel wash or 2 in the next 12 months...if it's lucky. Otherwise I'm depending on Mother Nature to occasionally give it a good rinsing.
As always, just my opinion from what my eyes have seen and YMMV; not a pro and it is well within the realm of possibility that I have no idea what I'm doing or talking about....and yet the Van noted above pretty much always looks freshly washed, barring extreme incidents. It is what it is....and to be perfectly honest I don't really care about the what's or why's it does what it does, just happy it does it.
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I can speak to both CQUK 3.0 and TiO2 as they have both well on my daily driver that sits outside 24/7. In about another week it will be 9 months with them on my daily driver and it looks like they will make it to 1 year easily. The only maintenance is a wash. So it is possible for a coating to make it. Of course the environment will dictate that as well. We don't get snow here but we do have high UV and heat which seems to be what degrades a coating here in So Cal as I have seen a coating fail on the flat surfaces compared to those that live in snow conditions and it fails on the lower portions of the vehicle.
Yeah at 1:20 or 1:25 it is just to low of a dilution for Ech20 to interfere with any coating. Especially if it is used as drying aid as it is diluted even more. It is just enough to get by to the next wash.
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Just from my experience on a car with nothing on it, ech2o at rinseless/waterless would last 1 to 2 rainstorms and that is all.
It does appear Cquartz UK has lasted people 1 year, along with some other coatings (I think Gyeon and some other brands). If I would use a coating based on all the factors and price, I would use Uk3.0.
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What is coating that you used? Sure a lot here would be interested. If not wanting to post PM please.
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Yeah I thought it was you who wasn’t coating Cquk3. Nice to know as that’s what I’ll be using. Hopefully topping it I can get 2 years. By topping I’ll be adding cancoat every 6-9 months. Sorry to through your name out their like I did but figured your findings would help out some in this thread who wanted opinions of un topped cquk3. Please post update at 1 year.
Thanks,
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I have Gyeon Mohs on one of my cars and it has easily lasted longer than any other coating I have ever used. I am going on 2 years now. My car is garage kept at night but used during the day about 4x a week. I’ve put about 25k miles on it in those 2 years. I maintain it w Gyeon cure every few months. I live in the north east so I see all sorts of conditions. My issue w Gyeon is the strong smell when I applied. It was sickening.
I used polish angel Viking coat on 2 of my other cars less than a yr ago. One is outside 24x7 and the other is garaged except for when I drive it which is almost never. The one that lives outside didn’t do so well. Didn’t come close to a year. Drove that one about 18k miles in that period. The one that is garage kept has lasted but I don’t think it would have done so outside. Both are kept up w polish angel Viking spritz. Polish angel is by far the easiest coating to apply that I have ever worked with but not the most durable. Does look good though when it is on.
I will say that a good coating will last over a year. And I will also agree that most geeks would top their coating. Not everyone is an auto geek so I can see agree that those people probably won’t top their coatings; but if you are spending that kind of money on a detail coating then you are probably making the effort. I will also say that those that wouldn’t care enough to top a coating probably aren’t spending the money on it either because they aren’t into cars as much. Just my opinion.
Pan, good job on the videos. Keep them coming. Sometimes emails/posts translate in a different manner than they are intended. Happens all the time at work. I know it’s tough and can be frustrating when reading comments that sound negative. but just let it roll off your back. You seem like you got a good life so just keep living it and do what you do.
I used polish angel Viking coat on 2 of my other cars less than a yr ago. One is outside 24x7 and the other is garaged except for when I drive it which is almost never. The one that lives outside didn’t do so well. Didn’t come close to a year. Drove that one about 18k miles in that period. The one that is garage kept has lasted but I don’t think it would have done so outside. Both are kept up w polish angel Viking spritz. Polish angel is by far the easiest coating to apply that I have ever worked with but not the most durable. Does look good though when it is on.
I will say that a good coating will last over a year. And I will also agree that most geeks would top their coating. Not everyone is an auto geek so I can see agree that those people probably won’t top their coatings; but if you are spending that kind of money on a detail coating then you are probably making the effort. I will also say that those that wouldn’t care enough to top a coating probably aren’t spending the money on it either because they aren’t into cars as much. Just my opinion.
Pan, good job on the videos. Keep them coming. Sometimes emails/posts translate in a different manner than they are intended. Happens all the time at work. I know it’s tough and can be frustrating when reading comments that sound negative. but just let it roll off your back. You seem like you got a good life so just keep living it and do what you do.
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Yes, you might’ve gotten a “thanks for answering my question”.... If you hadn’t preceded it with these comments.
You can’t try to insult someone and demand respect in return.
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Hey thanks I appreciate that!
. And thanks for sharing your experience with your coatings. It's always nice to get feedback from people using all kinds of different coatings and brands.
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You know what, I top everything and when my "new to me" car gets coated it will get initial toppings from TAC system, same brand as the coating and many coats of Poly Gloss too!
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