Volkswagen CC

[DasBurninator]

Is this a new car that is going to need compound? and if it is why is compound used instead of polish or swirl remover? I am new to this hobby and read to use the least aggressive method first. I am ready to remove my swirls this month and would like to hear about any reasons to use compound on a new car even if this is not the case here with this car.Thank you.

This is under the assumption that the car is used, and the dealer has touched it.
As mentioned a few times already a test spot will show you what is needed.

I didn't do a test spot on my car because I already had a good idea of what it would need and am very familiar with VW/Audi paint.

Two words:

TEST SPOT

Wanting multi-step, or single step? That'll tell you right away what you'll need.



Sounds like a perfect candidate for the Megs 'system' with D300. (Even D301 if you want to work the 'system'.)
That or an orange pad with D300 (or FG400). Which works GREAT.

Wouldn't expect to need anything less than a white pad to finish. Might get lucky and finish down FG400 with a white pad after it's worked half way through with the orange one for one of those fancy 1.5 step processes.

OTOH.. maybe something as stiff as UC, or maybe go ahead with 205 for polishing. Surely UP with a white pad would work forever... but likely too light to cut.

Couldn't agree more with the test spot. It will also depend on what kind of condition the paint is in.

Personally I don't really like FG400... It has a tendency to get gummy on me on certain paints. Similar to how M105 can get on older paint. Could be pad choice too though.

 

[Every_detail]

I used megs MF with 105 on some spots and then Car Pro Reflect with a yellow Megs Foam Disc and it came out great.

 

[mwoolfso]

I am on my second VW CC. Hard as nails is right. Ceramiclear.

Megs UC is not strong enough. D151 not strong enough. M105 is not strong enough. Now, that said I was using LC foam pads, a Flex 3401 and about 25+ lbs of pressure.... on a TEST SPOT! My jaw dropped each time I changed-up my technique. M105 on an Orange pad and a Flex just wasn't cutting much at all.

Had I moved to a MF pad that would have made a huge difference but I feel MF pads take off too much clear... and for some RIDS and DISO's I didn't see the reason to go that aggressive (with the MF pad). Another way of putting it would be a MegsUC/MF pad combo would be similar to water/sandpaper on the paint. You are gonna take off a lot of clear in the process.

Menzerna or Wolfgang products worked fine with light-cutting and polishing pads, along with my Flex and a normal amount of pressure.
My test spots usually center around these first on a VW. Have not needed to go any stronger than Menz IS-1500. SF-4500 on polishing was fantastic. If it corrects really fast, then I move to products with less strength. The only time I go to MF is when the swirls/scratches are deep.

 

[DasBurninator]

I am on my second VW CC. Hard as nails is right. Ceramiclear.

Except VW doesn't use a ceramic clear coat...

The paint on them is hard, but it isn't that hard.

 

[The Guz]

My brothers girlfriend had a 2010 Jetta that she just sold. She asked me how to do a test spot and I showed her how to do it with Ultimate Compound and a Meguiar's thin foam burgundy cutting pad. It corrected pretty good. It responded very well and I did not find the paint to be that hard.

The paint on my 2002 Camaro was harder than the Jetta.

The test spot is your friend.

 

[Every_detail]

Except VW doesn't use a ceramic clear coat...

The paint on them is hard, but it isn't that hard.

This


105 with a MF worked amazing. I just hate the damn dusting. My PC even did he job.

 

[KMG]

I really didn't have many issues with this one I did this spring. Corrected like most cars in my opinion. I think i used FG400 on MF followed by Reflect.

 

[Mantilgh]

I did not realize that VW made a car called the CC or that Europeans changed the definition of the the word "coupe". I thought you were just using CC as short for clear coat and that you were talking about a Passat. :doh:

They look nice. Are they bigger than the Passat?

 

[David Hayward]

Technically it's a Passat CC. It's similar to a regular Passat but the roof line is cut like a coupe to the rear. And it's just referred to as a CC.

 

[DasBurninator]

I did not realize that VW made a car called the CC or that Europeans changed the definition of the the word "coupe". I thought you were just using CC as short for clear coat and that you were talking about a Passat. :doh:

They look nice. Are they bigger than the Passat?

Same exact chassis as a Passat, just squished a bit at the roof.
Even has the same dash. Rest of the interior is sportier. Early cars are 4 seaters too.

 

[Mantilgh]

Ah, I see. Thanks for getting me up with the times.

 

[mwoolfso]

Except VW doesn't use a ceramic clear coat...

The paint on them is hard, but it isn't that hard.

I stand by my statements relative to my experience. It may not be Ceramiclear (bad assumption maybe) but it is as hard as I illustrated. I worked on an Aston Martin DB7 2 months ago; that was marginally harder than the VW. The DB7 needed FG400 to remove spider web type swirls.

Technically it's a Passat CC. It's similar to a regular Passat but the roof line is cut like a coupe to the rear. And it's just referred to as a CC.

CC = Comfort Coupe. In Europe they do call it a Passat CC but I read that 3 years ago so who knows if they changed it.

 

[Paul A.]

Cardaddy stole my comment but being late here costs me that. I've done only and probably about 2 dozen VW's but never had one any less than medium-hard. The test spot determines every job though.

 

[DasBurninator]

I stand by my statements relative to my experience. It may not be Ceramiclear (bad assumption maybe) but it is as hard as I illustrated. I worked on an Aston Martin DB7 2 months ago; that was marginally harder than the VW. The DB7 needed FG400 to remove spider web type swirls.

I just have trouble seeing it as that hard of a clear coat. I've never run into a VW with clear that fought me like you are talking about. And I've owned a lot of VW's and Audi's over the years.

In fact I'm willing to take a broom to my hood to prove this as well. I'm willing to bet I can correct it with a PC and UC without much effort. I won't even cheat and use those "sandpaper" microfiber cutting pads

 

[ski2]

Same exact chassis as a Passat, just squished a bit at the roof.
Even has the same dash. Rest of the interior is sportier. Early cars are 4 seaters too.

They are also made in Germany unlike the US Passat.

 

[Ebg18t]

I have had very good luck with FG400 & Flex on our VW, Audi & Porsche paints. CarPro reflect has been a great mild polish

 

[mwoolfso]

Cardaddy stole my comment but being late here costs me that. I've done only and probably about 2 dozen VW's but never had one any less than medium-hard. The test spot determines every job though.

I just have trouble seeing it as that hard of a clear coat. I've never run into a VW with clear that fought me like you are talking about. And I've owned a lot of VW's and Audi's over the years.

In fact I'm willing to take a broom to my hood to prove this as well. I'm willing to bet I can correct it with a PC and UC without much effort. I won't even cheat and use those "sandpaper" microfiber cutting pads

Each to his own gents. The poster has enough information to make his decision so good collaboration there.

On my second CC, which I picked up in late July, the salesperson and I saw a scratch on the hood the day of pickup that went for about 18-20 inches. We agreed I would bring it in the next day to have their detailer take it out. It wasn't deep, no ridge could be felt with a finger or with the tip of the nail. Black paint made it stick out like a sore thumb though.

The detailer couldn't get it out, stating he didn't want to take off too much clear. And they use a rotary. The salesperson offered to repaint the hood. I thought that was overboard and told them I detail as a hobby. I aligned with the salesperson that I will give it a try at home and if something goes terribly wrong they would make me whole. I knocked out about 95% of it. Whatever is left you can only see with the light at a certain angle. It took me 2-3 times with Wolfgang TSR or Menz IS-1500 on a yellow pad with 20lbs of pressure. That's a total of 8-12 section passes. I don't recall which one I ended up with. I had the Flex on 3 separate speed settings before I stayed with 5; went a little slower than 1-inch per second on each pass. I knew it was going to be a chore. And yes, I tried 105 for the heck of it and nada-thing-happened. ;-) Maybe next time I'll put it on video. Cheers!

 

[DasBurninator]

I knew it was going to be a chore. And yes, I tried 105 for the heck of it and nada-thing-happened. ;-) Maybe next time I'll put it on video. Cheers!

Pick up some M100 and try that out instead of M105 :xyxthumbs:
The work time is night and day difference and might be easier to get cut out of harder paints like the CC.

 

[Eldorado2k]

@DasBurninator. That's the sweetest looking modern Volkswagen I've ever seen