Walked away from a Detail Job

The funny thing is that 90% of the population has NO clue that their paint is swirled and that it can be fixed!!! Heck, most people are satisfied with an automatic car wash. You don't have to get perfection every time! When you're working on an older car, it's as simple as telling the person that "Hey, this is an old car with a lot of scratches. I will do my absolute best, but I can't promise perfection." There's a pretty good chance they weren't looking perfection and would be thrilled with the results a good 3 step process gives. You say you're worried about your reputation, but most of us in this thread probably think otherwise about that statement.
 
Josh I see your point - but honestly my reputation is worth more then money to me. I once had the oppurtunity to be in a very poor part of the world where half a handful of rice was considered a feast. The people in the village had to walk nearly 2 miles each way to have semi clean drinking water. This became a daily ritual for survival for them. Their tatered clothing was so filthty you would not have used it to wipe oil off your driveway. But through all there dispair they still had dignity and would not beg or asked for a handout. There word and there reputation was GOLD. They survived because thet were honest, faith filled and held a strong belief that things would get better. That is the leagcy I want to leave not one of greed ! Every Great master of ART from Monet to a modern day Andy Warhol discarded and destroyed 10 pictures for everone they finished and sold. A quest for perfection is not a pipedream but a sacrafice. I am just willing to sacrafice money fro a sustained reputation. Oh and by the way I do consider honesty in business a lost ART!
 
The Professional Detailer:
"What is Detailing, Anyway?"
by Prentice St. Clair

(This is the first of a three-part series of articles that examine the profession of detailing--who we are, what we do, and how we do it. The goal of this series is to provide information that individual detailers can use to help upgrade of the professional image of the detailing industry as a whole.)

In the detailing industry, most of the information that we receive from trade magazines and seminars focuses on specific everyday detailing issues--how to remove over spray, what kind of polisher to purchase, or how to market your business. Sometimes, as in any profession or endeavor of life, it is necessary to take a few steps back and to view the whole picture and remind ourselves of who we are, what we are doing, and why. Doing so helps us to re-focus our goals and re-determine where we are going. This is important because, if you do not have a vision of where you want to be in five, ten, twenty years, your business might not be around in five, ten, twenty years!

First, it is necessary to define "detailing." Each seminar that you attend and each book, article, or detailing manual that you read will have a slightly different dictionary-style definition of detailing. Which definition that you put into use is not important, just so you have a definition in your head that both defines and guides your day-to-day operations and also helps you explain to the customer what you do. More importantly, the definition you use should also demonstrate to the customer that you are a professional who has a clear understanding of the business.

The definition that I propose here is the one I use on a day-to-day basis and helps me answer the nearly daily customer inquiry, "What is detailing, anyway?" It goes like this: Detailing can be defined as the systematic rejuvenation and protection of the various surfaces of a vehicle.

Let's break this definition down into its components. "Systematic" refers to the fact that, as we detail a vehicle, we use specific procedures and place those procedures in an order that allows us to do the work in the most efficient and effective manner. "Efficiency" is a measure of the quickness of the procedure whereas "effectiveness" is a measure of how well the procedure actually works. For example, anybody can wash and wax a car. Most home detailers, however, would spend an entire Saturday doing so. Because we are systematic in what we do, we can (1) complete the same activity in two hours or less (efficiency), while (2) yielding a product that is far cleaner and better protected (effective) than the average home detailer would have ever dreamed!

"Rejuvenation" refers to the procedures that we use to return the vehicle at or close to showroom condition. These procedures range from removing the excess dust from a collector's vehicle that is permanently stored indoors, to all that is necessary to re-vitalize a never-cleaned mini-van that has taxied four sloppy kids for ten years (ugh!!!). I purposely do not include "restoration" in that range of activities because detailing activities on a restored vehicle (e.g., a '62 Corvette pulled from a junk yard) really occur only after the restoration activities (repair, re-construction, and re-surfacing) are complete.

"Protection" refers to the procedures that we use that will help to keep the vehicle looking new after we leave. That is, when the rejuvenatory activities are complete, we apply protectants that, for example, keep the paint from oxidizing, keep the leather from drying, and keep the tires black.

"Various surfaces of the vehicle" is in reference to the fact that a vehicle is made up of dozens of surfaces (e.g., paint, exterior trim, wheels, carpet, seating, interior trim, etc.), each of which has any of a number of possible compositions (e.g., paint: polyurethane, lacquer, enamel, clear-coat/base-coat, conventional). It is the responsibility of the professional detailer to understand how to rejuvenate and protect each of these surfaces, regardless of the specific surface composition. For example, leather seating is rejuvenated and protected in a completely different manner than upholstered seating.

With this definition, we have a way of communicating and educating the public (potential customers) as to what we do. Hopefully, this examination will also provide you with an overall view that will allow you to analyze your specific activities in the context of an overall definition of detailing. That is, "how you detail depends on how you define detailing." A real-world example of utilizing your definition of detailing: If your definition of detailing includes the word "systematic," then you are constantly balancing efficiency and effectiveness to satisfy the customer while at the same time maintaining an acceptable profit margin.

In conclusion, whether or not you use this definition or create your own, please have one that will allow you to both think clearly and also project a professional understanding about what you do.


Copyright 1998, Prentice St. Clair

This article first appeared in the October, 1998 Issue of International Carwash Association Update
 
30 years of experience and it took you 3 hours and $15 worth of product to figure out what you couldn't do?

I can't believe that in your 30 years of experience you never thought of doing a test spot.

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Locked? It needs to be deleted. It's a shame because there is actually good information in here about how to quote customers, evaluating jobs, doing test spots, but all that is tainted by political mumble jumble and talk of crack whores.
 
This is a new economy we find ourselves working within so even though economic times are tough we may be headed for worse.

"EMBRACE CHANGE - ENDURE DISCOMFORT"
 
Locked? It needs to be deleted. It's a shame because there is actually good information in here about how to quote customers, evaluating jobs, doing test spots, but all that is tainted by political mumble jumble and talk of crack whores.


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I sadly have to agree -there is some good info amongst the whores/political crap, but its just sad the OP had to ruin his own thread.
 
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I sadly have to agree -there is some good info amongst the whores/political crap, but its just sad the OP had to ruin his own thread.

Or everyone could edit their own posts and remove the non detailing discussion. Detail the thread. :)
 
30 years of experience and it took you 3 hours and $15 worth of product to figure out what you couldn't do?

I can't believe that in your 30 years of experience you never thought of doing a test spot.

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What type of work was it where the 30 years of experience was involved? To me you did a strange thing for the wrong reasons but I wasn't there so what do I know? Bragging about experience, perfection, and honesty doesn't explain why you couldn't figure out that there was problem in very short order and simply turned the job down before starting on it!
 
WOW! I would like my five minutes back!
 
I haven't walked away from a detail job as I don't detail for a living, heck can barely detail my own cars right now lol. But I've walked away from stuff in my business as I'm not of the school of thought that customer is always right, I'll put you in your place lol. I had a client recently who was pissing me off and start jerking around, I had the only way of funding his acquisition and I pulled the plug. Is he calling back like crazy now, yup, do I care, nope, mess with the bull you get the horns :D


You sound like me. :D
 
Surfer & 07ImpallaSS you are confirming the point I was making when I started the Thread. In the words of Kenny Rogers "You gotta know when to hold'em..know when to fold'em, know when to walk away and know when to run...."
 
Your entitled to your opinion but if you felt perfectly fine about walking away from the job, you probably wouldnt have sought reassurance from people on this forum. IF your rep is as flawless as you say it is, then you would have known before you started what you were in for with the job. Detailing is a business, and you should know that your not going to get to work on vehicles with 100% correctable finishes 100% of the time. It comes with the territory. If your rep is what you say it is, we would not even be having this conversation, nor would you be worrying about doing a job to the best of your ability and worrying about what people will say. This thread was Horses--t from the very start. Sorry but this is my opinion. Ive been in business for many years, and I would never go back to someone who pulled what you did. You effed up and are looking for people to tell you it was ok to make yourself feel better. You should have known at least ballpark-wise what type of results were possible and made this clear to your customer. IF the guys finish was THAT bad, why the hell did you even get as far as you did? You may have 30 years experience but you came out looking like a rookie in this situation. Sorry, man.
 
this cracks me up, i cant believe this thread has lasted this long. wow. oh yeah, and since ive last posted,,, still have not walked away or brought back a half done car, on second thought... think all my customers were very pleased :)!
 
Your entitled to your opinion but if you felt perfectly fine about walking away from the job, you probably wouldnt have sought reassurance from people on this forum. IF your rep is as flawless as you say it is, then you would have known before you started what you were in for with the job. Detailing is a business, and you should know that your not going to get to work on vehicles with 100% correctable finishes 100% of the time. It comes with the territory. If your rep is what you say it is, we would not even be having this conversation, nor would you be worrying about doing a job to the best of your ability and worrying about what people will say. This thread was Horses--t from the very start. Sorry but this is my opinion. Ive been in business for many years, and I would never go back to someone who pulled what you did. You effed up and are looking for people to tell you it was ok to make yourself feel better. You should have known at least ballpark-wise what type of results were possible and made this clear to your customer. IF the guys finish was THAT bad, why the hell did you even get as far as you did? You may have 30 years experience but you came out looking like a rookie in this situation. Sorry, man.

It is possible that all these 30 years he has only been working on nice cars. Length of experience does not necessarily equate to breadth of experience. He has basically said that he only ever likes to work on nice cars.
 
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