nic19 and strokin04, I've read about DP 4-1, and you guys obviously know what you're talking about eventhough it's hard for me to imagine how little water is needed..keep thinking I'm gonna scratch it up. I know I'm probably gonna order it, but have to wait awhile. My wife thinks I'm nuts, being a 2 washes a year guy before. But I want to keep the new car nice. Yankeefan, maybe I'll give a touchless place a try if there is one around here. A yankee fan around philly, bet you that can be rough. My son just got some tickets. He's a yankee fan from birth, my other son's a mets fan. It's crazy around here during the subway series. Anyway thanks for the quick replies, you guys are great.